Am I the only one who thinks an 8-8 finish should cost Rivera his job?

[JARROD]

I'm just going to say that DG needs to lose his job too


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[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Shula needs to go.  Did you know we have not score a touchdown in the second half is 8 of 13 games.

The only teams we have scored TDs in the second half are SF, Atl, N.O. TB and Oakland.  Almost all are lousy defenses.

I'm going to keep repeating this because it bears repeating:

We shut things down in the 2nd half not because of Mike Shula but because THAT'S WHAT RON RIVERA WANTS SHULA TO EXECUTE (or NOT execute, as it were).

EVERYTHING that Mike Shula coordinates or calls is with the full knowledge and eager approval of Ron "I'd have taken a shot too" Rivera.

[pantherclaw]

Our end of season record will not stop Rivera being retained. 

[panthers55]

21 hours ago, KillaCamNewton said:

If we manage to beat Atlanta and the Bucs, especially when both of them need wins way more than we do, that tells me the perceived lack of talent on this roster is a myth, and that this team simply underachieved again after a playoff season. It also tells me that this team was more than capable of winning 11 or so games and being a playoff team, but as usual under Rivera, didnt play like it until the games no longer mattered, which is a true sign of the complacentcy sydrome this franchise has been dealing with since the Fox days. This year has been 2006/2009 all over again, hopefully JR finally learned his lesson.

Totally wrong on why we are playing better. It took all of this time for the secondary to gell and for the rookies to learn their role. That is why the D line suddenly looks better. If we win these games with all the injuries and rookies it is a testament to how great Rivera is and the coaching staff especially Matso and Wilkes

[Panthers8969]

FG away from SB REMATCH WIN

[updownsigma]

Our end of season record will not stop Rivera being retained. 

And we'll go 10-6 next year and that'll buy Rivera another year of mediocrity

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[My Goodness My Guinness]

A lot of people want Shula gone, and I agree.

But here's the question:

What do you do when Rivera tells you he thinks Shula is doing a good job and he has no plans to fire him?

 

Wouldn't it ultimately be Gettleman's decision?


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[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, My Goodness My Guinness said:

Wouldn't it ultimately be Gettleman's decision?

Only if he fires Rivera.

Coaching staff decisions always fall under the oversight of the head coach. The GM has the authority to override them, but Gettleman has been unwilling to do that.

[juliosantos]

did you forget we are the panthers? we dont fire anyone

[DaveThePanther2008]

20 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

I'm going to keep repeating this because it bears repeating:

We shut things down in the 2nd half not because of Mike Shula but because THAT'S WHAT RON RIVERA WANTS SHULA TO EXECUTE (or NOT execute, as it were).

EVERYTHING that Mike Shula coordinates or calls is with the full knowledge and eager approval of Ron "I'd have taken a shot too" Rivera.

So you're telling me that Rivera tells Shula at half time to pull the reins back?  How is that possible? We haven't been leading by that much at half time.  17 points is not a lot of points.  Makes no sense but that is your opinion.  Far fetched as it may be I respect your opinion.

[tiger7_88]

3 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

So you're telling me that Rivera tells Shula at half time to pull the reins back?  How is that possible?

In the lockerroom at halftime.

Over the headphones.

If you believe, after all this time with the same things happening on offense over and over and over and over and over again, that Shula constantly does things expressly against the wishes of the head coach... well, then, I wouldn't know how to respond to that.

[truthjuice]

11 hours ago, updownsigma said:

 

And we'll go 10-6 next year and that'll buy Rivera another year of mediocrity

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Same cycle. So once again, the FO is okay with being mediocre. I understand liking someone as a person. I'm sure Ron is a good, upstanding man. But I do think he has to go. Won't be this year though. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

8 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

In the lockerroom at halftime.

Over the headphones.

If you believe, after all this time with the same things happening on offense over and over and over and over and over again, that Shula constantly does things expressly against the wishes of the head coach... well, then, I wouldn't know how to respond to that.

There isn't a coach in the NFL that is going to stop playing at halftime, not one.  To make it sound as if Rivera shuts down the offense with a marginal lead at best is ludicrous.  Into the 4th quarter, maybe but no where near halftime. 

It is more likely that the offensive coordinator doesn't know how to adjust to the other teams adjustments after halftime. Shula is terrible at halftime counter adjustments.  Even last year we have a few games where we did very little in the second half.

You don't like Rivera is all good but there is no way in hell he is telling Shula to shut it down anywhere near halftime.  

Like I said, your opinion...

[csx]

1 minute ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

There isn't a coach in the NFL that is going to stop playing at halftime, not one.  To make it sound as if Rivera shuts down the offense with a marginal lead at best is ludicrous.  Into the 4th quarter, maybe but no where near halftime. 

It is more likely that the offensive coordinator doesn't know how to adjust to the other teams adjustments after halftime. Shula is terrible at halftime counter adjustments.  Even last year we have a few games where we did very little in the second half.

You don't like Rivera is all good but there is no way in hell he is telling Shula to shut it down anywhere near halftime.  

Like I said, your opinion...

It makes no sense. I can buy that Shula can't counter the other teams adjustmentso but nothing makes sense about Rivera telling him to shut it down.  it's one of those things that gets said and repeated and people believe it because it's a simple explanation