Bradberry and Worley

[My Goodness My Guinness]

5 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

The Panthers have the worst pass defense in the NFL.

• 31st in yards per game.
• 29th in completion %.
• 27th in TDs.
• 27th in yards per attempt.
• They have given up a 95.5 combined rating to QBs.

The 2 things going for the defense are:

1. 5th in interceptions (led by the LBs) There is not a single CB with multiple interceptions.
2. 2nd in sacks.

So, the improvement on the defense is due to the DL getting to the QB and the LBs creating turnovers.

Do you believe that everyone, but the 2 rookie CBs are just horrible in the secondary and the rookies do not factor in to why the pass defense has been so bad?

The Panthers are also 30th in the NFL in stopping 1st downs against the passing game. Compare that to the run defense being 10th in the NFL in stopping 1st downs. Then keep in mind that Bradberry and Worley have given up the most 1st downs on the Panthers defense in the running game.

Some may want to forget just how bad the passing defense is and how badly the secondary ranks in the NFL, but the numbers show where the problem is at on the defense. The major problem lies at CB in both the run and passing game.

Opponents have targeted and attacked the rookie CBs in all facets of the game when they are trailing the Panthers in the 2nd half of games - especially the 4th quarter. They have been able to pick up easy 1st downs and chunks of yardage to get in to the red zone. This has unfortunately led to several lost leads and lost games.

Serious question: Do you actually watch the games, or do you just look up PFF stats during the week? I mean seriously, everyone on this board saw that Bradberry and Worley had a great game yesterday.

[CPantherKing]

17 minutes ago, My Goodness My Guinness said:

Serious question: Do you actually watch the games, or do you just look up PFF stats during the week? I mean seriously, everyone on this board saw that Bradberry and Worley had a great game yesterday.

A great game? So, they had multiple picks? Did they force any fumbles? How about a sack or tackle for loss? Did they have any pass deflections at least?

I saw a great effort by the DL. I saw Worley get targeted for most of the game and came away with a pick that was aired out and took little to no effort to pick. When it mattered and the Chargers began attacking them, they both gave up plays that led to drives by a struggling Chargers offense. Drives that put them back in the game.

They had solid performances against a weak offense while giving up some big plays and first downs. They were by no means horrible this week. Worley did not get abused like he usually does in the running game. The one thing they were not was great.

Now, the DL was great. KK was great. Shaq was good. TD was good. AJ Klein was good. Kurt Coleman was good. Tre Boston struggled. The rookie CBs were solid.

Worley is going to be a liability as a starter imo for his entire career. Bradberry will take 3 years to shape up into a serviceable starting CB. Neither of them will be playmakers/gamebreakers like Norman or Tillman. I do not even see them reaching the level Captian Munnerly did as a Panthers in 2013 since they have to give up their bodies to make those plays. Roman Harper was more of a play maker than I believe we will ever see from either Bradberry or Worley.

They have a very poor showing for the entire year as a whole. They are rookies. They should have never been put in starting positions on a team that was to compete for the SB.

Also, Boston should have never started and Coleman should have stayed at FS.

[My Goodness My Guinness]

What is amazing here is that CPK can take a thread started by another usually terrible poster and hijack it to fit his debby-downer, Gettleman draft pick bashing thread, where he proceeds to complain that rookie cornerbacks didn't force enough fumbles or get enough sacks. (decent thread actually, so nice job FootballLivesMatter)

[RealBitsOfPanther]

I think Bradberry will be solid. 

 

Worley scares the poo out of me. 

[outlaw4]

It's rare for corners to excel first year out. Applying pressure helps them, obviously, but I thought that was our intent all along.

[tiger7_88]

35 minutes ago, My Goodness My Guinness said:

What is amazing here is that CPK can take a thread started by another usually terrible poster and hijack it to fit his debby-downer, Gettleman draft pick bashing thread, where he proceeds to complain that rookie cornerbacks didn't force enough fumbles or get enough sacks. (decent thread actually, so nice job FootballLivesMatter)

Queue TheRainMaker.

[uncfan888]

42 minutes ago, My Goodness My Guinness said:

What is amazing here is that CPK can take a thread started by another usually terrible poster and hijack it to fit his debby-downer, Gettleman draft pick bashing thread, where he proceeds to complain that rookie cornerbacks didn't force enough fumbles or get enough sacks. (decent thread actually, so nice job FootballLivesMatter)

His only purpose is to repeatedly let us know how much he hates Gettleman. I guess he hopes it'll sway some people to his way of thinking, but he just comes off as an idiot

[FootballLivesMatter]

1 hour ago, My Goodness My Guinness said:

Serious question: Do you actually watch the games, or do you just look up PFF stats during the week? I mean seriously, everyone on this board saw that Bradberry and Worley had a great game yesterday.

Damn dude is stupid as hell. He thinks that Bradberry and Worley should be playing like a 4th year vet who was a top 15 pick. 

Both rookies made mistakes early in the season's but have improved each week. They're still rookies and are not playing scare. They both are playing as well if not better than the other corners drafted before them. 

[FootballLivesMatter]

18 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

It's rare for corners to excel first year out. Applying pressure helps them, obviously, but I thought that was our intent all along.

Yea. I haven't seen a rookie corner this season who's playing out of their mind. Hargreaves and Apple are the first two cbs drafted, they still look like rookies. Amari Cooper had a season best torching Hargreaves. Apple played like a rookie last night vs Dallas; he's not being thrown out to the wolves like Brad and Worley. 

[FootballLivesMatter]

I'm glad Bene and McClain are not on this team anymore. Horrific to watch. 

[FootballLivesMatter]

17 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

How? Worley's tackling numbers aren't an anomaly. He's solid in run support and a decent open field tackler when he's focused. His coverage skills aren't bad either. 

Say what you will about him but Worley isn't getting a poo ton PI or holding penalties like Waynes or getting torched like Hargreaves every week.

Agree. Worley is the better tackler. He doesn't get blocked easily by opponents due to his size. Bradberry will probably end up the better cover guy but Worley will be a solid no2. If he can improve in coverage he could be a more complete corner than Brad. Brad needs to get in the gym this offseason. They're a young, poor version of Sherman and Browner right now. 

[FootballLivesMatter]

7 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Yeah, Waynes is terrible. Taken at #11 in 2015 and he comes in sparingly when someone is hurt. He's looked awful at times as has Hargreaves getting burned for TDs. They should improve, but it really shows you how well our late 2nd round/mid 3rd round CBs are playing as rookies.

If Wayne didn't have "speed", he'd be cut already. He is still very young however like our two guys. But, Wayne hasn't learn how to cover guys in the NFL. 

[RumHam]

2 hours ago, sharkkiller said:

Wrong again.

 

Too much air and it was underthrown. Find video.

[FootballLivesMatter]

14 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I agree to a point. Worley is a rookie and I'd say he's performed well given that he is a rookie. Bradberry has definitely looked better and seems to have more potential, but they've got another 3 games including Julio and Mike Evans so even if they get burned, I like that they are continuing to get experience. There were 9 CBs drafted before Bradberry and 2 more drafted before Worley. Out of those 11, the 2 drafted before Worley haven't played and one of those was released by KC, the 4 drafted before Bradberry in the 2nd round have played very sparingly. 1 of the first rounders before Bradberry got hurt and missed the season and the other 4 have had played a good amount and here's their results:

Ramsey: 53 tackles, 4 PDs

Hargreaves: 62 tackles, 7 PDs, 1INT

Apple: 38 tackles, 6 PDs, 1INT

Burns: 47 tackles, 10 PDs, 3 INTs

Worley: 77 tackles, 7 PDs, 1INT, 1 Sack

Bradberry: 45 tackles, 7 PDs, 1INT

I think the fact that our 2 CBs drafted at #62 and #77 overall compare well to guys drafted at #5, #10, #11 and #25 is pretty promising considering that the other 7 CBs drafted in front of them have done much less means they were decent picks and they are getting solid experience.

I really want to draft a guy like Jamal Adams in the first round because I think a monster SS that can QB the secondary like Luke QBs the front 7 would make the secondary a strong point.

Jamal Adams is my guy right now. I love that kid. He's a mix between Berry and Mathieu, but has the same fire like Earl. I'm not saying he's better than any of those guys right now, but that's just what I see. 

Peppers is more explosive Bucannon and Mark Barron type of hybrid safety. I think that Adams will be talked a whole lot near draft day. I just hope that Peppers will do enough to make him be taken before Adams, which I think he will. Think Peppers will blow GMs away at the Combine. 

I like both guys, but I just rather have Adams. I know what I get in him.