Can some please explain to me how...

[pantherclaw]

16 minutes ago, CRA said:

Realistically, Bene wasn't expected to be fully back yet.  Those injuries take time.  So that isn't a blindside hit. 

Ealy/Johnson? It was pointed out all offseason by many it was foolish to think 1 game suddenly made Ealy a legit starter across from an aging CJ.  It was talked about at great length that pairing those weak DEs with the rookie CBs with Boston over the top was a recipe for disaster. 

Norman wanting elite money doesn't excuse not tagging.  If he wanted to build a more cost effective secondary he could of used the tag as a bridge to let guys develop first. 

Just cause fans talk about a subject (DEs) until it's a dead horse, doesn't mean that it was a bad choice. 

I didn't expect Kony to regress, but evidently you and others did. Good for you being right.  

I don't care that Norman was let go. 

He was tagged in hopes of getting a long term contract done. Not so he'd play under the tag.  I don't blame Gettleman for not wanting to go down that road. It does.make him an easy target for the lazy though.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, TheRed said:

You talking about Cam? You don't wanna go there with me chief. Don't step near those flames. You aren't Igo. No Cam Newton, no 3 time back to back to back division champs, and no SB50 for our offensive line to fall apart in. Cam has literally turned this franchise from a steaming pile of dogshit hellbent on proliferating a culture of mediocrity helmed by Jimmy *barf* Clausen to a contender. Yes I will continue to defend him from petty click bait bullshit. There is criticism like maybe being slightly annoyed about an overthrow, and then there is just plain stupidity in the name of discussion. If you or anyone else doesn't like it, tough damn titty.

As far as Gettleman goes, if we could give up a 4th rounder for a 35 year old punter, I think we could have done a better job of addressing our OL depth at the least.

Not only did we allow our defense to fall apart, we've allowed our QB to get beaten to a pulp. There is no way on this earth you can consider our offseason anything but a failure.

You could count on one hand the number of idiots saying things like "Gettledouche", but they are generally ridiculed with little mercy, and rightfully so really. But they are without a doubt outnumbered by individuals who would practically sell both their testicles before admitting Gettleman failed in the offseason. 

I'm not really interested in having that discussion with you. Igo might be.

And even if our resident dimbulbs aren't numerous, you have to admit they're prolific.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Cracka McNasty said:

This right here.

I'll be the first to suckle on the teet of Gettleman but even I admit he had his shortcoming this offseason. 

But people putting ALL of the blame on him just come off as idiots because it's been a perfect storm of bad things happening to us that has lead to the 4-8 team we are this year and blaming one individual isn't the right call.

Injuries

Vet retirements/contract expiring (Allen, Tillman, Harper, etc.)

Gettleman's failure to replace said Vet leadership

Injuries

Players not playing up to expectations (Ealy, Short, Tolbert, Benjamin, Coleman, even Cam)

Losing Every single close game this year when we won every single one last year

Replacement players to our injured players getting injured themselves.

Poor Coaching

Poor execution

Boneheaded penalties and mistakes (Benjamin)

Failure to wear ties before games (or going to a strip club depending on your source)

Karma apparently too

Horrible reffing league wide

 

But we still have a good young core in place and next year I expect we'll be much better. If we can get a decent Pass rush our defense will look much better because that's what our entire scheme is built around - pressuring the QB. When we fail to do that then our defense isn't built to do that well.

And I said injuries a few times because they have been really, really bad this year. Last year there was pretty much no one injured other than Luke for a few games. Everyone else who was important was healthy. This year we had 4th and 5th stringers playing the future HOF Drew Brees in his house... That was destined to come out poorly. Our o-line is in shambles due to injuries. Our depth there is actually OK, it's just that everyone just kept getting fuging injured my god. We have 3* Starter quality tackles on our team (*yes even Remmers. Just because he's a starter doesn't necessarily mean he's a great one) which isn't bad considering one is a second year prospect who showed promise while he filled in for injury until he too was injured as well. Our Guard depth is solid too. Kalil went down and it all fell apart because his replacement was also playing through injury. 

I'd also like a new O-Coordinator, you know, one who can realize when something isn't exactly working correctly and adjusting things. That'd be nice. 

But yeah, this year's been a bummer and let down but it's no one person's fault. The people putting all the blame in one area just look silly and belong on the Panther's facebook page where the rest of the dumbasses hang out. 

Well spoken as always, CM.

[CRA]

39 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Just cause fans talk about a subject (DEs) until it's a dead horse, doesn't mean that it was a bad choice. 

I didn't expect Kony to regress, but evidently you and others did. Good for you being right.  

I don't care that Norman was let go. 

He was tagged in hopes of getting a long term contract done. Not so he'd play under the tag.  I don't blame Gettleman for not wanting to go down that road. It does.make him an easy target for the lazy though.

Ealy didn't really regress IMO.  He is the 2015 DE.  Nothing ever suggested he was the Super Bowl DE.   That was just one game that uniquely stood out from his body of work.

I got no beef with not paying Norman a big contract.  Just feel the tag was worth the one year deal and given us a shot to rebuild and find/groom DBs.  That way there isn't such a drop off.   Gettlemen went scortched earth essentially on the secondary.  He could of done a better job having some savvy vets make the drop off from 2015 less huge there.  Lots of ways he could of approached it.  One year tag on Norman or letting him walk and adding legit bandaid vets or something  

[Cpt slay a ho]

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It all started when Trump rooted for the Broncos in the Super Bowl.

[uncfan888]

With norman, we don't make the playoffs this year.  So basically it would be  wasted money that we could roll to next season. I just hope Gettleman spends this offseason 

[Darvinsun]

Just talking about defense..Both or all 3 Dave, ron mc d are all responsible...all three evaluated the talent, don't know if all three agreed on the players obtained and let go but it was their decision . In juries happen and that is why coaches are suppose to coach up and evaluate who is good at what and be able to put substitutes in the best role for the situation...all these defensive bigs we have had...none seem like star talent. Shaq is ok but where he was pucked at the value is not there...none of the picks after short hold value...but coaches are suppose to inform and let loose and bring in new blood to the ones they can..We don't we hang onto them and don't change scheme to help them but we put more pressure on the ones that do perform ...instead of pmaying 10 yards off play 1 if he cant keep up with receiver or knock the receivers off route what did you see in these players to sign themm....thats why I say the whole coaching staff needs to go ..they pick these players and they can't cover worth a damn not zone man to man not bump what?

 

[Ricky Spanish]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Realistically, Bene wasn't expected to be fully back yet.  Those injuries take time.  So that isn't a blindside hit. 

Ealy/Johnson? It was pointed out all offseason by many it was foolish to think 1 game suddenly made Ealy a legit starter across from an aging CJ.  It was talked about at great length that pairing those weak DEs with the rookie CBs with Boston over the top was a recipe for disaster. 

Norman wanting elite money doesn't excuse not tagging.  If he wanted to build a more cost effective secondary he could of used the tag as a bridge to let guys develop first. 

I'm almost positive that he let Norman walk so he could use that Money to swing it for KK, but then KK wanted too much GMan Balked at signing him long term as well.

Kind of glad he didn't get elite money because the dude has not been anywhere near what he was last year. 

The Bene point, eh. Not really sure. I thought we all expected him to be back and just as good if not better, I know I did, but maybe that was Naive. Still have no idea why he was released but the best theory I have heard was conditioning. He was solid when healthy. Still don't understand that move.

And the Johnson/Ealy Depth is on Gettleman, I agree completely. but I lump that into failing to address the lost vet leadership when Allen hung it up.

[JARROD]

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[Kevin Greene]

12 minutes ago, rodeo said:

It all started when Trump rooted for the Broncos in the Super Bowl.

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/2/6/10929618/2016-republican-candidates-donald-trump-jeb-bush-super-bowl-50-pick

[Ricky Spanish]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

I can agree with most of that. Well put.

Though I must say, as far as the part about our OL, yes we have definitely been hampered by injuries. But even before the injuries, our OL allowed Cam Newton to get absolutely obliterated in Denver. Since SB50 our OL steadily veered further, and further right off a cliff. Inadequacy on the OL has been a trend throughout the Newton era, I'm to the point where I'm ready to do whatever is necessary to change that moving forward. No excuses, no more free passes because of salary cap or because Hurney sucked. We have Cam, and Luke in their primes right now. Who knows how long it will be before we see guys like that here again. It's all in or nothing as far as I'm concerned.

Also. If I'm Gettleman, I tell Rivera to locate his testicles immediately, and stop coaching in games like a scared pussy, or gtfo.

I blame the Cam getting hit more on Scheme/Shula than talent though. We had the same dudes all last year and they didn't look nearly as inept as they did at the beginning of the season. Denver gave the league the blueprint to take out our Offense and Shula failed to find a way to counter it. 

Shula needs to go and that's on Rivera. 

[Ricky Spanish]

16 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

With norman, we don't make the playoffs this year.  So basically it would be  wasted money that we could roll to next season. I just hope Gettleman spends this offseason 

That's actually a good point. Even if we had Norman Gettleman still isn't spending the rest of our Cap on anyone else in FA so we still lose slightly less than we do right now but we're still out of the playoff race and instead we would be contractually tethered to a dead weight CB looking to get paid elite money. 

So silver lining, the money that would have been spent on Norman isn't being wasted on him this year, it's being tucked away for next year where it can help us more.

BUT

and this is a big BUT and I can not lie,

Gettleman has to use it. He can't sit on his hands like he did this and previous offseasons. We'll have so so so much money that if we don't bring in some decent guys I'll be pretty disappointed. I get why he didn't spend in the previous years, and I get why he didn't do it this past offseason even if many don't agree with it, but next year that money needs to be reinvested into new talent because there isn't any on the roster that's about to step up. We can still sign our core that needs to get paid like Star, KK, Norwell, or Turner and still have plenty left over next offseason to bring in some FA Talent.

And I'm not a big money FA spender fan. At all.

But we need to spend this offseason. If he doesn't do poo this offseason after the years of navigating all of Hurney's poo tier Contracts, I'll have no faith in the guy and agree with everyone else that he's just a penny pinching cheapskate that lucked into success.

But until then I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because the saving and not spending on outside talent has made sense to me up to this point. 

[outlaw4]

A few factors:

Secondary turnover - I called this before the season started. They would need time to gel and could not afford injuries. When it came time to face Atlanta, we had to put Sanchez out there because we had no other options.

Offensive struggles - A great offense helps out a defense. Unfortunately, the dominos started falling with Oher and it hasn't stopped. Teams like the Vikings and the Eagles also started losing Uglies and their offenses fared not much better. 

Injuries - Not just who we lost but when. Luke was out last year too but it was early in the season against weaker opponents. Imagine if he went down along with Allen (subbing for Addison) and Coleman when we faced the Seahawks, Packers or Colts. We're not winning those games.

Opponents - Tougher this year and we're nowhere close to full strength. If our 2015 team was our next opponent, we'd be slaughtered.

Offseason - Could Gettleman have done more? I'd say yes but not enough to save this season. With the limitations of roster space, cap and available talent, you can only plug up so many holes. That and we're not like Denver where one side is dominant over the other. Our defense did try to carry us after the bye but it couldn't afford to lose Luke or Addison. We lost both.