Speed Kills

[beastson]

6 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

I really don't know what it is with this team and not putting a emphasis on acquiring any skill players with top level speed. the receivers are slow and the DBs are slow too. ginn is really all we have. it was rough watching Lockett run circles around everybody last sunday. 

Gettleman is trying to build the New York Giants thats why

Not realizing that the NFL is in constant change

[motocross_cat]

10 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

I really don't know what it is with this team and not putting a emphasis on acquiring any skill players with top level speed. the receivers are slow and the DBs are slow too. ginn is really all we have. it was rough watching Lockett run circles around everybody last sunday. 

We want to be the big bullies on the block.  Im all for it man.  However the bullies cannot suck...

I have no clue what kelvin is doing half the time.

Funch never gets looks

Tolbert...welp.

Oline is garbage.

Cam is playing poor due to mostly the above.

Worley is trying i guess.

Tre WTF....i stood up for you.

Coleman cant be everywere

KK looks like he is going through the motions

CJ and ealy.......well addison is the best pass rusher so there is that.

Star is taking on 7 blockers.

Butler is a....well we have no clue.

Shaq put on some weight it seems but has been taking wiff lessons from tre.

The coaching staff gets out done on the sidelines by our concussed middle line backer.

So prob could use alittle more team speed to tho.

 

Side note hit the natty a little hard this evening.  But you see my point.  Maybe.

 

[panthers55]

33 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Do you just sit there and search for "Shula" so you can jump in and defend him?

Seriously, it is ignorant to think our coaches are perfect. They continue to run plays for Tolbert. You really think they put the best guys out there with no biases or misjudgments? The coaches have made so many mistakes this year it isn't even funny, especially your heartthrob Shula.

Oh, by the way, I went to a few practices. Did you? Not worth even bothering replying to someone who's not capable of a rational discussion and only post is asking about posters' credentials.

You go off on bunny trails and never address the elephant in the room. I wasn't defending Shula in that post, and I didn't say anything about coaches making mistakes or not. I simply said that unless you see players in practice each week you don't have the ability to determine who is doing best or who should play. The coaches see it all. So to assume that they would not be capable to judge talent and get to the level that they are is ridiculous.or that your judgement or evaluation based on preseason viewing would hold weight or be more accurate than theirs.

That is what I said. Your response would suggest that you are the one who has trouble answering a post in a coherent and rational fashion

[panthers55]

32 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Comp pct. =\= accuracy.

Except for drops it sure does. And it gives Newton credit for completions where the receiver made a great play on an inaccurate ball. 

[truthjuice]

8 minutes ago, motocross_cat said:

We want to be the big bullies on the block.  Im all for it man.  However the bullies cannot suck...

I have no clue what kelvin is doing half the time.

Funch never gets looks

Tolbert...welp.

Oline is garbage.

Cam is playing poor due to mostly the above.

Worley is trying i guess.

Tre WTF....i stood up for you.

Coleman cant be everywere

KK looks like he is going through the motions

CJ and ealy.......well addison is the best pass rusher so there is that.

Star is taking on 7 blockers.

Butler is a....well we have no clue.

Shaq put on some weight it seems but has been taking wiff lessons from tre.

The coaching staff gets out done on the sidelines by our concussed middle line backer.

So prob could use alittle more team speed to tho.

 

Side note hit the natty a little hard this evening.  But you see my point.  Maybe.

 

Kelvin doesn't have a clue of what Kelvin is doing half the time. 

[Daddy_Uncle]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

Good lord. If only we had a playmaker like Hill in our return team. Wow.

yup! More opportunities for holding and blocks in the back. The things we do best!!!!

[Hoenheim]

Yeah I'm frankly tired of our big possession receivers dropping balls and not getting open. We need to draft a guy or use Byrd to groom to replace Ginn , have to actually give them some damn playing time to do it. I'm not very familiar with this draft classes wide receivers though, outside of Mike Williams and the dude from USC.

[panthers55]

21 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

IDK.  How many times have we seen a player forced into action due to injury,  out produce the starter.   Norwell immediately comes to mind.   

And that was a great surprise. Of course some folks are just gamers and seem to play better than they practice. Delhomme was one of those guys. He was third string when he came in at halftime and led that epic comeback. Nothing in practice made folks think he was the starter. 

The fact that a guy comes in and performs well doesn't mean the coaches couldn't see the talent. After all they were developing it. It meant that  for whatever reason they felt another player was better suited to start. Bad judgement? Depends on the rationale which we never get to hear. So I don't pass judgement about matters I only know a little bit about or rush to condemn a coach or player. That is just me.

[panthers55]

9 minutes ago, stbugs said:

LOL, you posted a reply to the post above mine that had Shula in it and it took you all of a minute or two to replay. I was referring to that Batman signal you jumped on.

Might as well just shut the forum down if you feel like no one other than the coaches should have an opinion on what we do. Get off the soap box and contribute something interesting. I gave you the great example of Tolbert being awful this year and you went right back into the you aren't an NFL coach so you couldn't possibly see something they don't. There's a reason guys like Gary Barnidge get 18 catches in 4 years with us and then have a breakout last year of 79 catches and over a 1000 yards. Sometimes coaches are better at some things than others. Anyone designing and running plays to Tolbert as recently as last game deserves to be questioned about their player evaluations.

Anyway, I'm sure you'll have another great post about how we aren't worthy to discuss things since we aren't NFL coaches instead of giving us good reasons why Tolbert ever touches the ball and why Byrd hasn't got one return while our kick returners can't even sniff the 20 yard line and punt returners drop balls and while similar players Gabriel and Hill tear it up weekly.

I do think that there are a lot of legitimate topics to discuss other than the constant bashing of the players or coaches. If it wasn't every week and the same posters over and over looking for things to complain about and bitching and whining all the time. So I get tired of it given it is actually wrong and unwarranted much of the time. And I respond to innuendo and and opinion with facts and rational discussion. So if that ends up defending Shula  or Rivera or McDermott then I do. I support the Panthers and the team and defend them from trolls and posters with agendas and unjustified criticism. Do they make mistakes? Every week no one is perfect and they all screw up at times. They are human. 

[Panthro]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

So are you at practice so you can see how they do. If he was great he would be playing. 

Norwell says hi

[mikeholiday]

1 hour ago, CWORS said:

We need speed at several levels of our team...RB, WR, S, DE. The list of RB in the draft we should focus on includes: Sony Michael-UGA, Alvin Kamara-UT, Dalvin Cook-FSU, Christian McCaffrey-US

WR: John Ross-UW, DeDe Westbrook-OU, Curtis Samuel-OSU. 

DE-T McKinleyUCLA, D Barnett-UT, Carl Lawson-Auburn.

 

Just a few of the players I think could add the missing speed element to our team.

Do not want Kamara or McCaffrey. I don't consider them every down backs. Don't have the bulk. 

[jfo89]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

So are you at practice so you can see how they do. If he was great he would be playing. It is ignorant to assume that we wouldn't put the best guys out there. And to assume that your talent evaluation skills are better than professionals who do this for a living is laughable.

Really? Because we saw this coaching staff sit J-No for the better part of a year.

[Saha]

I'd like to see Byrd given a bigger role but I have to imagine there's a reason they haven't. Despite our outrage and consternation with this coaching staff they are still far more qualified at talent evaluation than we are as fans.

[JawnyBlaze]

1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

The argument was that Cam needed tall, rangy receivers because he threw high and inaccurately. May have been true years ago, but not anymore. Speed receivers probably play more into Shula's down field play calling. 

That was the excuse, saying it's Cam's fault for needing tall receivers...but I don't seem to recall him having much problems getting the ball to Smitty.  Or Ginn for that matter, Ginn just butterfingers half of them.