Marty Hurney's Draft History

[heel31ok]

On 12/5/2016 at 7:24 PM, Saca312 said:

So, in light of some recent posts concerning Gettleman and questions surrounding his draft picks, I decided to make a reply with all of Hurney's draft choices with analysis. 

So, without further ado, @The_Rainmaker here's that Hurney draft history report I promised you:

2002

	2002
1	Julius Peppers
2	Deshaun Foster
3	Will Witherspoon
4	Dante Wesley
5	Randy Fasani
5	Kyle Johnson
6	Keith Heinrich
7	Brad Franklin

Grade: D

Hurney's first draft here. I really didn't look at this draft much except just my hatred of the Peppers situation, so sorry about my earlier post on that. I got that out of my mind, and looked at this draft with a level head.

You scored on the biggest freak in the draft with the second overall pick in the first round. Hard to miss that. I guess one could ague we get a decent JAG RB committee, but nothing flashy at all. Wesley's a decent CB during his tenure here, but nothing flashy.

Foster's a bust; Panthers let Witherspoon eventually walk in FA even with his talent. So I guess based on the draft, we got a HoF (who was hard to miss with the number 2 overall honestly, so I didn't skew the grading that much) and Witherspoon and an okay corner. Other than that, not so much stuff, reason my grade stays a D.

2003

	2003
1	Jordan Gross
2	Bruce Nelson
3	Mike Seidman
3	Ricky Manning
4	Colin Branch
5	Kindal Moorehead
7	Walter Young
7	Casey Moore

Grade: D

Jordan Gross. Only real bright spot from the draft. Sure, Ricky Manning was servicable for a bit, but then he became the backup for many other teams. Seidman and Nelson were busts. No one else is worth mentioning. Overall a very poor draft yet again, with a high first round pick as the only bright spot.

2004

	2004
1	Chris Gamble
2	Keary Colbert
3	Travelle Wharton
5	Drew Carter
6	Sean Tufts
7	Michael Gaines

Grade: C

Chris Gamble was servicable, and arguably one of our better cornerbacks, so that was a good pick near the end of the first round, though injuries kept him at bay. Gaines was a steal for his draft position, being a servicable blocking TE for a couple of years. Colbert underperformed most of his career, definitely not worth his second round consideration.

2005

	2005
1	Thomas Davis
2	Eric Shelton
3	Evan Mathis
3	Atiyyah Ellison
4	Stefan Lefors
5	Adam Seward
5	Geoff Hangartner
5	Ben Emanuel
6	Jovan Haye
6	Joe Berger

Grade: D

Only reason I even put him at that high of a grade was because he drafted my favorite linebacker of all time; Thomas Davis- the man, the myth, the legend. Love him to death. But otherwise, not much to see. Hangartner was solid with his contributions as a versatile guard/center. Shelton retired early, played only 2 years. Mathis is your Revis of his position; journeyman to the highest bidder. Ellison was a bust. Most others are garbage. 

2006

	2006
1	DeAngelo Williams
2	Richard Marshall
3	James Anderson
3	Rashad Butler
4	Nate Salley
5	Jeff King
7	Will Montgomery
7	Stanley McClover

Grade: B

Decent Draft. Had some serviceable guys from this draft. DeAngelo for one is the main guy, though he later became a lazy fug. Anderson was solid. Salley busted. King was a good player. Only real impact player was DeLo, as a player that pops out. Otherwise, everyone else was either serviceable or duds. Not that much duds though.

 

2007

	2007
1	Jon Beason
2	Dwayne Jarrett
2	Ryan Kalil
3	Charles Johnson
4	Ryne Robinson
5	Dante Rosario
5	Tim Shaw
7	C.J. Wilson

Grade: A-

Really good draft in all honesty, Hurney's standalone best. Jon Beason was a fantastic linebacker for us, though injuries hindered his full potential. Dwayne Jarrett was a bust though. Ryan Kalil is our All-Pro center for us today, and heaves the chains. Charles Johnson has shown flashes of greatness plenty of times, and is a great DE. Robinson busted though, Wilson was a ST ace, and Rosario bounced around on squads. Overall a really decent draft scoring on 2 All-Pros and a quality DE in Charles Johnson. A good spot for Hurney. Now, if only he continued having these years...

2008

	2008
1	Jonathan Stewart
1	Jeff Otah
3	Charles Godfrey
3	Dan Connor
5	Gary Barnidge
6	Nick Hayden
7	Hilee Taylor
7	Geoff Schwartz
7	Mackenzy Bernadeau

Grade: C-

Decent draft. Nailed Jonathan Stewart, but it's a pretty high first round pick and its hard to miss those. Otah was a quality tackle we grabbed, besides his injury prone self, but the value we gave up to get him was catastrophic: considering the likes of Jamaal Charles, and Ray Rice were waiting to be picked in the second round. Godfrey was servicable, but no where near eye-popping good. Connors injuries killed him as well. Everyone else is JAG. Decent, but not impactful.

2009

	2009
2	Everette Brown
2	Sherrod Martin
3	Corvey Irvin
4	Mike Goodson
4	Tony Fiametta
5	Duke Robinson
7	Captain Munnerlyn

Grade: F+

He only gets a F+ instead of F------- because of Munnerlyn and where we got him. Munnerlyn was a great pick for his draft position. 

Other than that, well, um...Goodson? Already had DeAngelo and Stewart though...um...anyone else really that wasn't an obvious bust? Hmmm. Maybe I should change it back to an F-....

2010

	2010
2	Jimmy Clausen
3	Brandon Lafell
3	Armanti Edwards
4	Eric Norwood
6	Greg Hardy
6	David Gettis
6	Jordan Pugh
6	Tony Pike
7	R.J. Stanford
7	Robert McClain

Grade: D-

Unimpressive draft. Greg Hardy is the only brightspot, before he went pyscho, and getting some servicable players for a few years like LaFell, and others, but really most are either depth, busts, or goners. And we all know how the Clausen era went...

2011

	2011
1	Cam Newton
3	Terrell McClain
3	Sione Fua
4	Brandon Hogan
5	Kealoha Pilares
6	Lawrence Wilson
6	Zachary Williams
7	Lee Ziemba

Grade: F+

You got the number 1 overall pick for this draft; pretty dang hard to miss. And lo and behold, Cam Newton was found. Our MVP QB that will be one of the GOATS if we get him some good coaches. Anyhow, as for everyone else; Oh gosh. Busts everywhere. I don't think we really got a single solid starter or backup other than Cam from that draft. That says a lot.

So why the F+? The + is for nailing the first overall pick, since you can't exactly "steal" the number one pick of the draft. Otherwise, everyone else is busts/gone/terrible. People don't really see how bad our other round picks were.

2012

	2012
1	Luke Kuechly
2	Amini Silatolu
4	Frank Alexander
4	Joe Adams
5	Josh Norman
6	Brad Nortman
7	D.J. Campbell

Grade: A-

Not that bad of a draft. Amini was a servicable guard for us before we discovered us some Norwell. Kuechly is our All-Pro once in a generation MLB. Frank Alexander showed flashes before going full retard and being suspended so much. Adams was meh. Josh Norman was our all-pro CB last year, and was a huge product of our fantastic CB coach in Steve Wilks. Brad Nortman was a servicable Punter. One of Hurney's better drafts, and it was his last.

I'll give credit where it is due; Hurney has had a few decent drafts. Most GMs do. But there are many, many instances where he's failed. 

The results sure surprised me with how much he failed though. He's a good first round drafter, but can't find sustainable players later on for the most part. 

Otherwise, far worse than Gettleman by far honestly, and that's WITH Gettleman picking bottom 10 of each round most of the time, and Hurney near top 15 every year.

He's good at picking round 1 picks, and okay at finding talent in rounds 2-3 through a few years, with some random lucky gems here and there. Otherwise, pales in comparison so far with how Gettleman is able to find talent everywhere.

And now Gettleman may be making his first top 10 pick here soon. 

That alone is exciting.

 

Terrible analysis....but funny....

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

fun note since everybody is all over the cowboys' nuts as a perfect model franchise handed down from mt. olympus as of this season:

dallas had a high grade on kony ealy and would have drafted him higher than gettleman did in the second round if they hadn't traded the pick away

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000350323/article/cowboys-vp-we-likely-would-have-drafted-ealy-absent-trade

 

[Krovvy]

6 hours ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

fun note since everybody is all over the cowboys' nuts as a perfect model franchise handed down from mt. olympus as of this season:

dallas had a high grade on kony ealy and would have drafted him higher than gettleman did in the second round if they hadn't traded the pick away

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000350323/article/cowboys-vp-we-likely-would-have-drafted-ealy-absent-trade

 

So they dodged a bullet?

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

6 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

So they dodged a bullet?

sounds like all their scouts need to be fired and the FO needs to be cleaned out to me

[Krovvy]

22 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

sounds like all their scouts need to be fired and the FO needs to be cleaned out to me

I guess it would if you possess such a narrow, myopic, view of their front office based solely on their rating of a single college prospect.

[SurvivalSloth]

8 pages and no one has said it....

#Gettlemagic

[outlaw4]

Going to go off memory here but my thoughts of certain players:

DeShaun Foster: Good compliment to Stephen Davis. I believe he was the Falcons killer because he ripped them up every time. The big knock was not durable enough and his fumbling issues. 

Will Witherspoon: Not the greatest linebacker but quite capable. Honestly, we are pretty darn good at picking linebackers, period.

Kindall Moorehead: Part of the rotation for a few years. 

Keary Colbert: He dropped the ball with a smile on his face. It annoyed me so much and made me hate USC receivers for a long time.

Travelle Wharton: Solid Ugly and losing him in 2006 to injury was a big loss. I believe he was extended by Hurney but don't recall if that was the wrong move.

Drew Carter: Kinda like Ted Ginn in speed but ran mostly fly routes.

Geoff Hangartner: Versatile Ugly. I remember him returning a kickoff return once and laughing.

Gary Barnidge - Should've kept him. Dunno why we didn't.

Hilee Taylor - Huddle favorite.

David Gettis - I liked him. Got hurt before he got to play with Cam.

Luke Kuechly - Was puzzled right away. Salivating once I did some research.

Long story short, Hurney's main problems were not so much with the draft but with the cap.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

2 hours ago, Krovvy said:

I guess it would if you possess such a narrow, myopic, view of their front office based solely on their rating of a single college prospect.

who possesses a narrow, myopic view of the cowboys' front office based solely on their scouting of ealy?  not me.

sounds more like the people on this site calling vernon butler a bust after he's played three months of professional football

[Krovvy]

29 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

who possesses a narrow, myopic view of the cowboys' front office based solely on their scouting of ealy?  not me.

sounds more like the people on this site calling vernon butler a bust after he's played three months of professional football

You're the only one stating front offices should be cleaned because of a single bad assessment of a player. From what I've read in this thread most people are arguing many reasons as to why they don't agree with the Panthers front office.

Also, I have no idea how you made the jump to Vernon Butler's worth as a player. If someone on the board wants to argue that he's not as valuable as his draft position they can, it's a forum.