Marty Hurney's Draft History

[Peppers90 NC]

7 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

DG already use his get out of jail free card with the 2014 season, that's over it, no excuse for this season and no excuse if next season is poorly handled


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Hurndog got a pass 2 out of every 3 seasons. That's how we roll here.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Hurndog got a pass 2 out of every 3 seasons. That's how we roll here.

Explains why we haven't had back to back winning seasons


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[Kakarot]

Gettleman had a decent amount of cap to work with this past offseason, though. I mean, we are sitting on 20 M's I believe.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

keyshawn johnson played like one season on a non-playoff team here and got released days after talking about how excited he was to mentor dwayne jarrett.  he signed a four year contract and got a $5 million signing bonus.  how was that a "hit" other than the fact that it seemed great on paper.

[heel31ok]

22 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

You don't even know who half those players are, do you?

Terrible analysis , but funny...

[heel31ok]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

You should also understand Gettleman didn't have much cap to work with. That's a huge factor to consider. 

Gettleman was busy getting the Panthers out of that cap mess Hurney left for him. This is his first year with a good amount of cap.

This year will define Gettleman as either a competent GM, or a cheap scape honestly. If he doesn't capitalize on this huge surplus of money that he worked so hard to get, then it's fair to compare him as a polar opposite Hurney in a bad way. But if he capitalizes on this cap that he has never had before, and top 10 draft pick he never has had, then all arguments are invalid.

Gettleman got us out of our cap struggles, but this offseason will let us know if he will aim for impact players, which will be needed. He's been fantastic with so little of what we had so far, no questioning that. But now, I personally believe he needs to start making some stabs. 

 

he still gave us the core of this team... 

[Saca312]

9 hours ago, heel31ok said:

he still gave us the core of this team... 

Which one of them would be gone (either Luke or Cam) because Hurney can't manage or find a good deal worth the crap.

[Peppers90 NC]

13 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

• Jake Delhomme - Pro Bowler - Agree
• Stephen Davis - Pro Bowler - One year rental basically, good signing
• Keyshawn Johnson - Pro Bowler - NO. Big name, little value, washed up one year rental. Year 5
• Mark Fields - Pro Bowler - Agree
• Muhsin Muhammad post Bears - - Pro Bowler - Agree but year 8.
• Ricky Proehl - Agree but Cotchery played the exact same role or bigger
• Mike Wahle - Pro Bowler - Norwell has been better
• Ma'ake Kemoeatu - NO. If anything Soliai equivalent. Major disappointment
• Ken Lucas - Agree although he fell off a steep steep cliff after 2 seasons
• Chris Harris - Roman Harper wash. More like year 8
• Jeremy Shockey - Pro Bowler - One year rental, could not have afforded him after. Year 9 or 10
• Mike Tolbert - Pro Bowler - Signed as a FB, one of the worst in the league. Year 9 or 10.

Most of those were signed in his first 4 seasons as GM. 

Here are the free agents the Panthers have signed over the past 4 seasons.

• Mike Mitchell - way better value than Harris 
• Jerricho Cotchery - I'll call it a wash with Proehl
• Roman Harper  - Pro Bowler - Call it a wash with Harris
• Michael Oher  - Pro Bowler 
• Charles Tillman - Pro Bowler
• Ted Ginn Jr. 

Those are the free agent signings that mattered and played a key/starting role in a season for the Panthers. The players in bold are the free agents that were signed by a GM that they hit on. You can see a clear difference.

Half of those guys you mentioned were way past Hurndogs fourth year including Muhsin, Shockey, Tolboat, and Harris. And those are about it after his first four years, he didnt bring anybody in worth noting really. Other guys you are stretching their value especially if they only played one season for us and were cut or retired the next.

I will wait to see what happens this offseason before I get on the fire DG train, he deserves that at least. You may be right, but it's nothing more than a feeling because you dont have the evidence to support it yet. He spent 11 seasons here and took us to THREE playoffs. If that's acceptable to you, the THREE playoffs in four years must be like gold.

[Peppers90 NC]

13 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

This thread was started to distract from the criticism Gettleman was receiving for the current state of the Panthers neglected offense and greatly declining defense.

Call it Gettleman's personal scapegoat. If you call Gettleman into question for anything, these posters will label you as a Hurney lover and then destroy Hurney blaming him for everything that is wrong with the team in 2016.

That is how you get these discussions.

I think it was made to bring reality to the very forgetful people who are for some reason saying Hurney was a better GM, which is really disturbing considering this is a message board and the vast amount of data on the internet even if half these guys are new fans to the team and didnt live through the one playoffs every four years that Hurney's team gave us. 

[Zaximus]

12 hours ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

keyshawn johnson played like one season on a non-playoff team here and got released days after talking about how excited he was to mentor dwayne jarrett.  he signed a four year contract and got a $5 million signing bonus.  how was that a "hit" other than the fact that it seemed great on paper.

Keyshawn was like our best #2 production wise maybe ever.  The guy had like what, 800+ yards and 5 tds or more.  He was good here, and we were really stupid to let him go.    I think it was a good signing honestly.  

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

2 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

Keyshawn was like our best #2 production wise maybe ever.  The guy had like what, 800+ yards and 5 tds or more.  He was good here, and we were really stupid to let him go.    I think it was a good signing honestly.  

815 and 4 TDs, i just looked it up

it was a good signing, but the release was mind-boggling and that's more what i was getting at.  it was rumored that him and steve smith didn't get along well and everybody knows what the front office of that era would have done to address that.

i'd call it a wash, not a "hit". 

[Zaximus]

1 minute ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

815 and 4 TDs, i just looked it up

it was a good signing, but the release was mind-boggling and that's more what i was getting at.  it was rumored that him and steve smith didn't get along well and everybody knows what the front office of that era would have done to address that.

i'd call it a wash, not a "hit". 

Initially a hit.  But dumb to release.  It was probably Smith causing all the issues, now that we know what we know about him lol.  

[Peppers90 NC]

7 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

Keyshawn was like our best #2 production wise maybe ever.  The guy had like what, 800+ yards and 5 tds or more.  He was good here, and we were really stupid to let him go.    I think it was a good signing honestly.  

It was a way better signing than it was a puzzling release the very next season but that was the Hurnery era, good then bad, bad and good again followed by bad, bad, bad.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

2006 was also an "all-in" year where the panthers were supposed to blow through the NFC on the way to a title.  keyshawn johnson, justin hartwig, maake kemoeatu were all brought in via free agency that year with kris jenkins returning from injury.  we were that year's "dream team" eagles.