Marty Hurney's Draft History

[Carl Spackler]

It's easy in hindsight to say Cam and Luke were the obvious picks but the main people saying that majored in Revisionist History or became fans in 2015. Re-read the 2011 and 2012 draft threads and you'll get none of the "they were the obvious pick" 

[Carl Spackler]

52 minutes ago, RickyManningJr said:

Sweet, I don't care what you think of the picks.  For example DeShaun Foster and Will Witherspoon were worth a lot more than you acknowledge. So an A draft is 7 hall of fame players?

This is a draft that most of the Huddle would grade as an A

• Round 1, (30), Vernon Butler, DT, Louisiana Tech
• Round 2, (62), James Bradberry, CB, Samford
• Round 3, (77), Daryl Worley, CB, West Virginia
• Round 5, (141), Zack Sanchez, CB, Oklahoma
• Round 7, (252), Beau Sandland, TE, Montana State

[Carl Spackler]

21 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

It's not just his decision anyway, so it's stupid to give him all of the credit for those picks

I don't see you or anyone else giving Rivera or any other staffer credit for the few picks Gettleman may have gotten right

[Carl Spackler]

The mindset in this thread is the same as many political arguments:

Obama did something right: Well he doesn't deserve ALL the credit, he got it right bc it was obvious

Bush did something right: THIS is how Bush is a BETTER leader than HUSSEIN OBAMA. Did it HIMSELF

[The_Rainmaker]

4 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

The mindset in this thread is the same as many political arguments:

Obama did something right: Well he doesn't deserve ALL the credit, he got it right bc it was obvious

Bush did something right: THIS is how Bush is a BETTER leader than HUSSEIN OBAMA. Did it HIMSELF

Most FUPA lover wants to keep old white man in control , that's why there is so much hate for a Latin Head coach. 

Make Americs & Carolina great

[My Goodness My Guinness]

16 hours ago, Saca312 said:

So, in light of some recent posts concerning Gettleman and questions surrounding his draft picks, I decided to make a reply with all of Hurney's draft choices with analysis. 

So, without further ado, @The_Rainmaker here's that Hurney draft history report I promised you:

2002

	2002
1	Julius Peppers
2	Deshaun Foster
3	Will Witherspoon
4	Dante Wesley
5	Randy Fasani
5	Kyle Johnson
6	Keith Heinrich
7	Brad Franklin

Grade: B

2003

	2003
1	Jordan Gross
2	Bruce Nelson
3	Mike Seidman
3	Ricky Manning
4	Colin Branch
5	Kindal Moorehead
7	Walter Young
7	Casey Moore

Grade: C-

Jordan Gross. Only real bright spot from the draft. Sure, Ricky Manning was servicable for a bit, but then he became the backup for many other teams. Seidman and Nelson were busts. No one else is worth mentioning. Overall a very poor draft yet again, with a high first round pick as the only bright spot.

2004

	2004
1	Chris Gamble
2	Keary Colbert
3	Travelle Wharton
5	Drew Carter
6	Sean Tufts
7	Michael Gaines

Grade: B-

2005

	2005
1	Thomas Davis
2	Eric Shelton
3	Evan Mathis
3	Atiyyah Ellison
4	Stefan Lefors
5	Adam Seward
5	Geoff Hangartner
5	Ben Emanuel
6	Jovan Haye
6	Joe Berger

Grade: D

2006

	2006
1	DeAngelo Williams
2	Richard Marshall
3	James Anderson
3	Rashad Butler
4	Nate Salley
5	Jeff King
7	Will Montgomery
7	Stanley McClover

Grade: B+

 

2007

	2007
1	Jon Beason
2	Dwayne Jarrett
2	Ryan Kalil
3	Charles Johnson
4	Ryne Robinson
5	Dante Rosario
5	Tim Shaw
7	C.J. Wilson

Grade: A

2008

	2008
1	Jonathan Stewart
1	Jeff Otah
3	Charles Godfrey
3	Dan Connor
5	Gary Barnidge
6	Nick Hayden
7	Hilee Taylor
7	Geoff Schwartz
7	Mackenzy Bernadeau

Grade: B

2009

	2009
2	Everette Brown
2	Sherrod Martin
3	Corvey Irvin
4	Mike Goodson
4	Tony Fiametta
5	Duke Robinson
7	Captain Munnerlyn

Grade: F+

2010

	2010
2	Jimmy Clausen
3	Brandon Lafell
3	Armanti Edwards
4	Eric Norwood
6	Greg Hardy
6	David Gettis
6	Jordan Pugh
6	Tony Pike
7	R.J. Stanford
7	Robert McClain

Grade: D-

2011

	2011
1	Cam Newton
3	Terrell McClain
3	Sione Fua
4	Brandon Hogan
5	Kealoha Pilares
6	Lawrence Wilson
6	Zachary Williams
7	Lee Ziemba

Grade: D

2012

	2012
1	Luke Kuechly
2	Amini Silatolu
4	Frank Alexander
4	Joe Adams
5	Josh Norman
6	Brad Nortman
7	D.J. Campbell

Grade: A-

Highlighted my differences. I completely disagree about 2002 as our top 4 picks were all solid contributors. Also 2009-2011 was so freaking atrocious with the exception of Cam. 

[Peppers90 NC]

2 hours ago, thefuzz said:

Both believe/believed in signing our own before free agency starts.  Our big FA's under Hurney...Anderson, Williams, Stew, Beason, Gamble, Gross, Jake, Smith, Johnson, etc....

DG is similar...Cam, Luke, TD, Olsen, Kalil, etc.....

This hasn't been a "big FA splash" team in quite some time.

All that plus draft and free agency as well as handling the cap are the main responsibilities of the GM. While DG hasnt made a big splash in FA, he still has been way more productive than Hurndog while managing the cap he has outperformed him big time. We shall see moving forward how well he works the cap with FA. This really shouldnt be a discussion and have no idea why Hurney has been brought up lately in comparison.

[CPantherKing]

10 hours ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Neither guy has hit on a big FA but Gettleman definitely used FA to fill out the roster way better than Hurndog. 

• Jake Delhomme - Pro Bowler
• Stephen Davis - Pro Bowler
• Keyshawn Johnson - Pro Bowler
• Mark Fields - Pro Bowler
• Muhsin Muhammad post Bears - - Pro Bowler
• Ricky Proehl
• Mike Wahle - Pro Bowler
• Ma'ake Kemoeatu
• Ken Lucas
• Chris Harris
• Jeremy Shockey - Pro Bowler
• Mike Tolbert - Pro Bowler

Most of those were signed in his first 4 seasons as GM.

Here are the free agents the Panthers have signed over the past 4 seasons.

• Mike Mitchell
• Jerricho Cotchery
• Roman Harper  - Pro Bowler
• Michael Oher  - Pro Bowler
• Charles Tillman - Pro Bowler
• Ted Ginn Jr. 

Those are the free agent signings that mattered and played a key/starting role in a season for the Panthers. The players in bold are the free agents that were signed by a GM that they hit on. You can see a clear difference.

[CPantherKing]

8 hours ago, Peppers90 NC said:

This really shouldnt be a discussion and have no idea why Hurney has been brought up lately in comparison.

This thread was started to distract from the criticism Gettleman was receiving for the current state of the Panthers neglected offense and greatly declining defense.

Call it Gettleman's personal scapegoat. If you call Gettleman into question for anything, these posters will label you as a Hurney lover and then destroy Hurney blaming him for everything that is wrong with the team in 2016.

That is how you get these discussions.

[CPF4LIFE]

Gettleman would not have drafted Cam newton. The big man argument is void.

Von miller, Pat Peterson, AJ Green, Marcell Darius, Julio Jones, JJ Watt to choose from. That makes more sense why he WOULDNT  have drafted him.

[Saca312]

11 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

This thread was started to distract from the criticism Gettleman was receiving for the current state of the Panthers neglected offense and greatly declining defense.

Call it Gettleman's personal scapegoat. If you call Gettleman into question for anything, these posters will label you as a Hurney lover and then destroy Hurney blaming him for everything that is wrong with the team in 2016.

That is how you get these discussions.

You got inside sources on me or something?

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Saca312 said:

You got inside sources on me or something?

Fake ones.

[Saca312]

28 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

• Jake Delhomme - Pro Bowler
• Stephen Davis - Pro Bowler
• Keyshawn Johnson - Pro Bowler
• Mark Fields - Pro Bowler
• Muhsin Muhammad post Bears - - Pro Bowler
• Ricky Proehl
• Mike Wahle - Pro Bowler
• Ma'ake Kemoeatu
• Ken Lucas
• Chris Harris
• Jeremy Shockey - Pro Bowler
• Mike Tolbert - Pro Bowler

Most of those were signed in his first 4 seasons as GM.

Here are the free agents the Panthers have signed over the past 4 seasons.

• Mike Mitchell
• Jerricho Cotchery
• Roman Harper  - Pro Bowler
• Michael Oher  - Pro Bowler
• Charles Tillman - Pro Bowler
• Ted Ginn Jr. 

Those are the free agent signings that mattered and played a key/starting role in a season for the Panthers. The players in bold are the free agents that were signed by a GM that they hit on. You can see a clear difference.

You should also understand Gettleman didn't have much cap to work with. That's a huge factor to consider. 

Gettleman was busy getting the Panthers out of that cap mess Hurney left for him. This is his first year with a good amount of cap.

This year will define Gettleman as either a competent GM, or a cheap scape honestly. If he doesn't capitalize on this huge surplus of money that he worked so hard to get, then it's fair to compare him as a polar opposite Hurney in a bad way. But if he capitalizes on this cap that he has never had before, and top 10 draft pick he never has had, then all arguments are invalid.

Gettleman got us out of our cap struggles, but this offseason will let us know if he will aim for impact players, which will be needed. He's been fantastic with so little of what we had so far, no questioning that. But now, I personally believe he needs to start making some stabs. 

 

[Cpt slay a ho]

DG already use his get out of jail free card with the 2014 season, that's over it, no excuse for this season and no excuse if next season is poorly handled


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