Leadership, ron rivera, and the variable rigidity of discipline

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, arbnranger said:

 Good points and from a fans perspective, I completely agree. 

However, from a coaching and team culture perspective, one could only assume it was important enough to make a point. 

Ron has always been a players coach as everyone knows. Does it make more sense that he just suddenly changed his philosophy or that is was an important enough issue to make a point? 

Just giving a different perspective here. 

I get that.

This just isn't something I can get on board with.

[truthjuice]

19 minutes ago, arbnranger said:

I agree with most, it does seem really trivial and I don't see sitting Cam for the first series. 

However just looking from a different perspective... 

Ron has always been a coach that encouraged the players to be themselves. Cutting up , listening to music and having fun is something Ron not only supported but defended on numerous occasions. 

Given that history, wouldn't one have to assume that this "incident" isn't as cut and dry as many would think? Ron has had no history of trying to change players into emotionless robots. 

Since we are only speculating, I would imagine this rule was clearly stated and expectations were known. I'm sure it was a difficult decision to make. 

Would I have sit him ? Probably not but then again, maybe so, in certain circumstances. 

But when it's happened multiple times before and he's never been disciplined for it? This was a power move because Ron needed to remind them who's boss. It was indeed trivial. Also, the way in which it was done. This could've been avoided. Punishment couldn't have waited until Monday morning? 

[Paa Langfart]

Why isnt this thread pinned ?

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, truthjuice said:

But when it's happened multiple times before and he's never been disciplined for it? This was a power move because Ron needed to remind them who's boss. It was indeed trivial. Also, the way in which it was done. This could've been avoided. Punishment couldn't have waited until Monday morning? 

See, that's part of the premise that I have trouble with.

I can't see Newton doing something he's been warned about multiple times.

[truthjuice]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

See, that's part of the premise that I have trouble with.

I can't see Newton doing something he's been warned about multiple times.

Cam has shown up with no tie during away games multiple times. I don't think he would just intentionally rebel against that rule. Something clearly stated, no. This was a total power move so the tie isn't the problem. Im just not buying that. I don't even believe Cam's version either. Of all people, Cam knows where to shop lol. I mean, he has a custom hat maker. More than a tie. 

[arbnranger]

2 minutes ago, truthjuice said:

But when it's happened multiple times before and he's never been disciplined for it? This was a power move because Ron needed to remind them who's boss. It was indeed trivial. Also, the way in which it was done. This could've been avoided. Punishment couldn't have waited until Monday morning? 

Has it happened multiple times before? Ive seen that said a couple times but I haven't seen any sources. If that's the case then that the decision to have him sit a series is a bit more curious. 

As far as punishment waiting until Monday morning, sure I would have liked that better as a fan. But I'm sure the expectations were clear to everyone on the team. 

I guess a bigger question would be why Cam didn't wear a tie just like the other 50 + members of the team? 

 

[truthjuice]

9 minutes ago, arbnranger said:

Has it happened multiple times before? Ive seen that said a couple times but I haven't seen any sources. If that's the case then that the decision to have him sit a series is a bit more curious. 

As far as punishment waiting until Monday morning, sure I would have liked that better as a fan. But I'm sure the expectations were clear to everyone on the team. 

I guess a bigger question would be why Cam didn't wear a tie just like the other 50 + members of the team? 

 

Well this was last week. And I only included this pic bc I'm not at a point where I can go hunting lol  

To answer the bigger question, maybe because when you don't get punished the first time or even warned, it's not that big of a deal? I don't know, I just think this is more than a tie. 

[Cookie Lyon]

47 minutes ago, Cuttinedge said:

With everything else crumbling around him.  This is what Ron chooses to make a stand on ? Shows where he has his priorities. (Offense sucks turn the cheek, defense can't stop a jv team turn the other cheek) Cam doesn't wear a tie , I'll show his azz he don't run this team 

This is the move of a coach who is in over his head. And he don't know how to fix the problems so he works on a perceived problem he knows he can. 

THIS

[beastson]

What you're seeing is a coach that depends on players to perform at probowl levels every single game in order for us to win.

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, Mvp2014 said:

I think our lockerroom has been f**** up since the SB flop and then proceeding to do nothing in FA and letting a bunch of vets walk including your best DB (by far) when he was under the tag.

I have never seen Cam or any Carolina Panther wear non team colored shoes.  I believe Ginn and a few LB's had red shoes too

Good god people, it was a special weekend where the NFL allowed players to wear special cleats to support their special causes and charities, OK?

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, arbnranger said:

I agree with most, it does seem really trivial and I don't see sitting Cam for the first series. 

However just looking from a different perspective... 

Ron has always been a coach that encouraged the players to be themselves. Cutting up , listening to music and having fun is something Ron not only supported but defended on numerous occasions. 

Given that history, wouldn't one have to assume that this "incident" isn't as cut and dry as many would think? Ron has had no history of trying to change players into emotionless robots. 

Since we are only speculating, I would imagine this rule was clearly stated and expectations were known. I'm sure it was a difficult decision to make. 

Would I have sit him ? Probably not but then again, maybe so, in certain circumstances. 

My response would be that coaches under pressure tend to do stupid things.

Especially coaches with a well documented record of being stupid in the first place.

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

My response would be that coaches under pressure tend to do stupid things.

Especially coaches with a well documented record of being stupid in the first place.

I can't get on board with calling Rivera stupid.

As a defensive coordinator, Rivera is brilliant. He just doesn't have the skill set to be a head coach.

I'd compare him to someone like Dick LeBeau or Jim Johnson. Probably better off as a DC, and could be extremely successful paired with an offensive minded head coach.

It would never happen, but I'd happily take Rivera as the DC here.

[PhillyB]

24 minutes ago, 15 said:

wait how did you type  s h i t  without it being corrected to poo?

you can bypass the word filter by typing all swear words backwards

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

you can bypass the word filter by typing all swear words backwards

Holy tihs!