Leadership, ron rivera, and the variable rigidity of discipline

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, OneBadCat said:

Ron's problem is he's feels safe. 2014 Ron's Panthers would beat the dog sht out of this squad.

Sad to say he probably is safe.

[SmootsDaddy89]

He's probably good for another two years tbh. Unless he goes 0-16 next year.

 

[SmootsDaddy89]

Anyway in more uplifting news, check out this dude from Norway killing Iron Maiden.

 

 

[tiger7_88]

7 hours ago, PhillyB said:

Ron Rivera's shit stinks. We all know it, the whole team knows it, the whole fanbase knows it, even Ron Rivera knows it. You can see it in his poke-hole eyes as they glower off into some other dimension where the bubonic plague looking acne scars on his cheek aren't better play callers than Mike Shula. So since there's no point in prefacing this post with the obvious, there are two competing thoughts on what happened tonight:

(1) Cam Newton didn't bring his tie on the plane. Whatever, you keep the discipline in-house.

(2) Cam Newton didn't bring his tie on the plane. Whatever, you don't bend the rules for one player.

 

Let's address both of these points even though one of them is laughably retarded for reasons I will explain. First, point number one, which is not retarded. I would like to point out that JESUS CHRIST ON A CRACKER IT'S A FUCKING TIE. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!?!?! I thought maybe he wore a hashtag fire Shula shirt or nut checked a security guard like that fake Bleacher Report tweet suggested. But it was a TIE. That's stupid enough. Even stupider than getting legit mad about it is benching him for it. Even stupider than benching him for it is benching him for it during a primetime game when he's already constantly taking media heat and you know this move will bring an unholy shitstorm down onto your football team. And even stupider than all that is taking your MVP off the field when you're still in the playoff hunt against a hungry team, a traditional foe, and sacrificing a shot at the playoffs to make some sort of a point about the way things are done around here. This is such a staggering exposure of Ron's lack of judgement and composition as a coach that there are few choices besides kicking him out of the plane over Idaho with a parachute and a bag of chips.

But let's humor the second argument for a second. It's actually completely true. It's a fact that you don't bend the rules for one player. That creates locker room division. No one actually disputes that.  Anyone who's taken intro level sociology courses in college knows institutionalization is necessary for the development of teamwork, and institutionalization can't happen if one guy's treated preferentially. But that is a bullshit argument because the issue is not the crime, it's the punishment.

Ultimately it's Ron Rivera not knowing when to back off. And sometimes you do back off. You have to. Ten or so years ago I was in Marine Corps OCS up in Quantico in the world's most intensive leadership school, surrounded by elite drill instructors whose personal mission it was to pound discipline and code into a bunch of soft ass braniac college kids trying to be hard asses. If there was ever a place you don't fuck up and forget your tie (or muzzle control or your fucking compass, jeebus that was a bad day) it's officer training in the Marines. Not a dumb football game. But even in OCS the drill instructors had the wisdom to know there are times you back off of rigid disciplinarian structure for the betterment of the group. There were times when tensions ran high (dropped candidates, silver bullet, OCS version of the crucible) when the DIs backed off of the billy badass routine even if it was warranted because they had the wisdom to understand they'd lose more respect by enforcing something petty at a very bad time than they'd gain authority points for being ticky-tack. In fact they often gained respect and promoted group cohesion by knowing when not to enforce things that they had the right to enforce whenever they wanted.

Ron Rivera doesn't possess that wisdom as far as I can tell. To this point his only real outstanding strength as a head coach was his ability to develop a team's intangibles and manage its locker room, but this evening he compromised even that en route to dishing us a head start on our only blowout loss of the season and knocking us out of the playoff running against a hated rival.

Goodbye Ron.

Bravo!

Bravisimo!

[raleigh-panther]

Great coaches do not treat all players the same and Rivera knows it

a lot of poo is tolerated for stars and we all know it

if he wants to do something  about poor On field performance, fine but this was ridiculous,  and helped to make this team more of a laughing stock then it a.ready is.

 

 

[tiger7_88]

6 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Jimmy Johnson always said he had no problem giving someone like Troy Aikman a pass on something he'd harshly discipline a third string safety for.

Is that the right approach or is "fairness to everybody" better? 

That's probably a debate all its own.

I think the problem here is that Ron thinks of the players as his children.

And, when it comes to your children, yes, you should love them and discipline them all equally (if you don't, you are some kind of messed up).

Western Union to Ron Rivera:  Professional football players are not your children.

[Ornias]

Cam may actually be more pissed that DA actually got to throw the ball to start the game instead of the Shula up the gut special he usually gets. 

[chknwing]

7 hours ago, stankowalski said:

Meh...he only took him out for one play.  Kind of messed up how that play went though lol.  I'm not going to get into whether or not it was the right thing to do because frankly I don't think we'd have won that game under any circumstances with all the injuries to key positions and key players.  

All I know is this season stinks.

It only ended up being one play,I am pretty sure it was going to be the first series.  It is a huge possibility Anderson was supporting Cam and sent a message back to Rivera by tossing that pick.

[Zaximus]

Rivera has lost this team.  Even in those other bad years, I felt the team played for him till the end.  We just didn't have the talent.  Right now, they just aren't playing for him.   Doing this to Cam on national TV isn't going to help matters either.   It's really short sighted by Ron to do this on national TV and thrust Cam into more spotlight when he's already the most polarizing figure in the NFL.   How is this helping the team?  You discipline Cam for a tie but it sends ripples down the rest of the season with stupid press and embarrassing your star QB.   To be, it feels like something I haven't seen from Rivera yet, and that's pettiness.    So it was just a stupid idea and we looked like a joke on national TV as always.   He gave Seattle momentum immediately in that game.    But Rivera doesn't understand things like momentum since he gives it up so often.

He'll be back next year.   That's how the pattern goes.  It all starts at the top, with Richardson hiring coaches like it's 1975 that have no backbone or killer instinct.   You must play not to lose, not play to win.   Rivera has really two good seasons.   I don't count that playoff trip where we got in 7-9-1 or whatever it was.    He's basically had tow good years and the rest, bad.   The league has figured him out.

You can basically look at Steve Smith's career of being on a mediocre team, with mediocre coaching and mediocre ownership for what Cam has in store for him, unfortunately .  

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

I think the problem here is that Ron thinks of the players as his children.

And, when it comes to your children, yes, you should love them and discipline them all equally (if you don't, you are some kind of messed up).

Western Union to Ron Rivera:  Professional football players are not your children.

The downside of being a "player's coach" is that some of them get to be "one of the guys". And then the leadership falls off, and then the discipline falls off, and then the play falls off.

[Anybodyhome]

It only ended up being one play,I am pretty sure it was going to be the first series.  It is a huge possibility Anderson was supporting Cam and sent a message back to Rivera by tossing that pick.

Yeah. I'm positive DA and Stewart worked out the entire bobble off his hands into the defender's hands without even practicing it. All behind the scenes... right.

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[Navy_football]

Benching a player is a team punishment. Any good Coach knows this, at any level. You don't hurt a team's chances of winning by pulling its best player as punishment to the player. A fine makes much more sense. There is a lot more to this than what's on the surface. 

[tiger7_88]

12 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

Yeah. I'm positive DA and Stewart worked out the entire bobble off his hands into the defender's hands without even practicing it. All behind the scenes... right.

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It was Tolbert.

Yes, our first play of the game was to washed-up fat-ass Tolbert.

[Navy_football]

28 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

Rivera has lost this team.  Even in those other bad years, I felt the team played for him till the end.  We just didn't have the talent.  Right now, they just aren't playing for him.   Doing this to Cam on national TV isn't going to help matters either.   It's really short sighted by Ron to do this on national TV and thrust Cam into more spotlight when he's already the most polarizing figure in the NFL.   How is this helping the team?  You discipline Cam for a tie but it sends ripples down the rest of the season with stupid press and embarrassing your star QB.   To be, it feels like something I haven't seen from Rivera yet, and that's pettiness.    So it was just a stupid idea and we looked like a joke on national TV as always.   He gave Seattle momentum immediately in that game.    But Rivera doesn't understand things like momentum since he gives it up so often.

He'll be back next year.   That's how the pattern goes.  It all starts at the top, with Richardson hiring coaches like it's 1975 that have no backbone or killer instinct.   You must play not to lose, not play to win.   Rivera has really two good seasons.   I don't count that playoff trip where we got in 7-9-1 or whatever it was.    He's basically had tow good years and the rest, bad.   The league has figured him out.

You can basically look at Steve Smith's career of being on a mediocre team, with mediocre coaching and mediocre ownership for what Cam has in store for him, unfortunately .  

Anyone that underestimates the impact of momentum in sports has never played or coached at a high level.