Gil Brandt says Let KK Walk...

[Snake]

8 hours ago, imminent rogaine said:

if anything, this makes gman look smart. he didn't overpay in a rush to sign KK long-term. He drafted a replacement in case we have to let KK walk. Now KK's performance doesn't warrant him demanding top-dollar. If he still wants that top-dollar and someone else is willing to pay it, we are still in good shape.

No way anyone pays big after he did a no show in a contract year. 

[KDawg004]

They both have egos and clashed. Ish happened. End of story. (Norman that is)

Let's hope Gettleman's stubbornness won him this battle when negotiating with KK and his agent. 

[CPantherKing]

The Panthers defense must improve in the secondary and at DE for the Panthers to return to the playoffs and contend again. The secondary must create more turnovers.

Until that happens teams will just run at the edges and pick apart the secondary like they have done this year with consistent success.

Going through the DTs and LBs has not worked out well for opposing offenses.

If the Panthers do not find a play maker at CB, a SS who can play in the box, move Coleman back to FS, and find a strong pass rushing DE who is disciplined against the run, then the Panthers will continue to give up games in the 2nd half. If the Panthers lose KK, then they will need to find a dominant 3 tech DT with the ability to rush the passer who can penetrate and move down the LoS as well as KK.

The 2015 defense only lacked the pass rushing DE. The 2016 defense lacked the CB, SS, and FS on top of the pass rushing DE. Now, the 2017 defense is going to lack a CB, SS, FS, pass rushing DE, and a dominant 3 tech DT?

People are failing to see the regression. Ealy, Coleman at SS, Boston, Worley, Bradberry and Butler are not the answer for any of those spots. Bradberry may make a solid #2 CB in a couple years and have a career as a journeyman back up alongside Captain Munnerlyn.

Sign KK. Don't mess up another off season.

[uncfan888]

3 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

The Panthers defense must improve in the secondary and at DE for the Panthers to return to the playoffs and contend again. The secondary must create more turnovers.

Until that happens teams will just run at the edges and pick apart the secondary like they have done this year with consistent success.

Going through the DTs and LBs has not worked out well for opposing offenses.

If the Panthers do not find a play maker at CB, a SS who can play in the box, move Coleman back to FS, and find a strong pass rushing DE who is disciplined against the run, then the Panthers will continue to give up games in the 2nd half. If the Panthers lose KK, then they will need to find a dominant 3 tech DT with the ability to rush the passer who can penetrate and move down the LoS as well as KK.

The 2015 defense only lacked the pass rushing DE. The 2016 defense lacked the CB, SS, and FS on top of the pass rushing DE. Now, the 2017 defense is going to lack a CB, SS, FS, pass rushing DE, and a dominant 3 tech DT?

People are failing to see the regression. Ealy, Coleman at SS, Boston, Worley, Bradberry and Butler are not the answer for any of those spots. Bradberry may make a solid #2 CB in a couple years and have a career as a journeyman back up alongside Captain Munnerlyn.

Sign KK. Don't mess up another off season.

You do realize that none of us care what you think, right? Your hatred for all things Gettleman makes it impossible to take you seriously. The hate you have for Bradberry because Gettleman drafted him is just sad 

[rhyslloyd]

He'll demand more than we're willing to pay, and someone will give it to him.  Enjoy the last few games.

[panthers55]

12 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Nah. Don't think Norman ever said what he was looking for.

Gettleman was willing to sign norman for 11 mil from this article:

http://www.espn.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/20477/the-philosophy-of-panthers-gm-and-demands-of-josh-norman-never-meshed

Again Norman realized he made a mistake and wanted to fix it. Gettleman played tough guy and then doubled down by not getting vets to replace Norman and Tillman. This crap is what we ended up with.

[top dawg]

He's come up short short in a contract year. There is a stark difference between this year and last. I'm not even sure he's worth the 14 mil per year that has been suggested as offered. That's plenty, and if he doesn't want to take it, then let him hit the bricks for more money. His play simply hasn't justified any more. Hell, I could argue that Love has been a better value this year.

[Ivan The Awesome]

15 hours ago, pantherj said:

Probably be better than Norman? That's just a wild guess. I'd much rather have Norman than KK. I think Norman would have come down a bit on the contract, but moron Gettleman tried to really low ball him. Need a new GM. 

 

I love you how claim that his statement is a wild guess while you make a wild guess yourself and state it as fact. lol. 

[panthers55]

13 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Nah. Don't think Norman ever said what he was looking for.

Gettleman was willing to sign norman for 11 mil from this article:

http://www.espn.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/20477/the-philosophy-of-panthers-gm-and-demands-of-josh-norman-never-meshed

You guys get hung on 2 or 3 million a year and honestly that is largely irrelevant unless a player earns his contract. most of the contract isn't guaranteed and usually backloaded so that you can put any number down and players rarely get the whole amount. Do you remember when Haynesworth signed a 100 million contract but didn't get more than 40 million of it.

Plus Norman wasn't the only issue. It was replacing an all-pro with a rookie. Then decimating the secondary of any leadership when Harper, Tillman and Norman all left. Gettleman just looks at talent and thinks for example that you can replace KK with Davis with no problem but ignores any chemistry and leadership you.may lose as well.  Gettleman thinks you can replace players like in Madden without considering what else gets hurt in the process. At the least he could have brought in veterans which would have helped tremendously. Let's be real here, we were a Superbowl team not Cleveland. Gettleman screwed up big time and folks like you all give him a huge pass. He doesn't deserve it given he just made him own job much tougher. Who wants to play here now given we are not a contender and his reputation among agents and players is that he is a cheap dick who plays tough guy and doesnt negotiate in good faith.

[thefuzz]

Good lord.

 

Got a question for you guys.....would you rather have a 29 year old "highest paid CB in the league", or possibly sign a top tier free agent tackle on the open market?  Not saying there will be one, but I would damn sure think that a T would have kept us in a lot more games than a CB this season.

We have to sign both of our Guards most likely, we have to find a top flight RB most likely, we have to find a free agent Tackle most likely, and we have to sign KK or Star or possibly both most likely.

DG and RR thought this team was good enough to compete without Norman.....and truth be told, almost every single poster on this board did as well.

 

Also, all you guys talking about windows, and Cam getting up there, and his hits, and blah blah blah....if Cam wants to be one of the greats, if he wants to be an icon, he has to play for at least 12-14 years....we are in his 6th season....as I have stated many many times, Manning was in his 8th season before they got over the hump.  Elway was in year 15 or something crazy like that....

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

He's come up short short in a contract year. There is a stark difference between this year and last. I'm not even sure he's worth the 14 mil per year that has been suggested as offered. That's plenty, and if he doesn't want to take it, then let him hit the bricks for more money. His play simply hasn't justified any more. Hell, I could argue that Love has been a better value this year.

I hope Gettleman gets a deal done with Star and KK. It is important that we retain core players not only for their talent but their leadership. Plus it tells the other guys on the team that if you work hard you will get yours when your rookie deal is done. Players need to know that we as an organization care about them more than just a number or position. Sure this is a business but if you say you want people who want to be here you have to show them you want them here as well. Gettleman comes across like he is doing just the opposite.

[thefuzz]

13 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I hope Gettleman gets a deal done with Star and KK. It is important that we retain core players not only for their talent but their leadership. Plus it tells the other guys on the team that if you work hard you will get yours when your rookie deal is done. Players need to know that we as an organization care about them more than just a number or position. Sure this is a business but if you say you want people who want to be here you have to show them you want them here as well. Gettleman comes across like he is doing just the opposite.

By extending Olsen, Kalil, Cam, and Luke?

 

Looks to me like he is doing the exact opposite.

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

By extending Olsen, Kalil, Cam, and Luke?

 

Looks to me like he is doing the exact opposite.

So who has he extended on defense besides Luke, Davis  and Coleman? There are 22 starters on a team and 11 on defense. you have to do better than extend 4 or 5 guys and think things are great. He signed a few no brainers and never brings in a quality free agent he pays good money for. You come to Carolina to shine in order to go elsewhere or on a 1 or 2 year prove it contract if you struggled or were injured in order to get paid by someone else. You wonder why most folks aren't loyal to you? Davis is fiercely loyal because Richardson was loyal to him when he didn't have to after repeated injuries. You think Gettleman would have shown him the same respect or simply shown him the door? Gettleman is breeding a culture of disloyalty, mistrust, and negative feelings with many.players. Now that we aren't on top watch that bite us in the butt this year. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Based on his overall career performance, if we're going to have to pay him huge money, yeah I'd let him walk. He had one huge season and he's had three mediocre to average seasons. Right now, the huge season is certainly looking like a bit of a fluke. I'd rather keep Star and he should come a lot cheaper. Space eaters are a lot cheaper than pass rushers and they can be just as important.  Simply put, I think KK (looking at KK's entire career, not last season in a vacuum) is easier to replace than Star and we just spent a 1st round pick on a guy who fits that mold. Now, if last season was the norm, then yeah, you gotta keep KK. Back up the Brinks truck and pay the man, but someone is going to end up overpaying him big time based off of one season and what they'll get in return is likely what he has been for most of his career - a decent 3 technique DT, but nothing special.