If we end up with a Top 10 Pick...

[Bronn]

when we cut Stewie, more of you will be on board...

[emhoward]

1 hour ago, AceBoogie said:

At drafting who?? His best pick was probably KK and most here want him gone. Then they'd say Star and most were down on him last year. 

The best players on this team are the same ones that were here when Gettleman got here and hey look our record ain't much better either. 

Wow. I usually agree with you. This is way off to me. 

Drafting seems to be his main strength to me. He's good at picking players. 

It's negotiations and lack of activity in free agency that causes me to give him the side eye at times.

[Cpt slay a ho]

God, I hate being a big DG backer, but winning seriously? How many times has it been shown that we have given away games? Who are universally considered the best teams in the NFL right now? I'd say the Cowboys, Patriots, Raiders, Denver, Atlanta and maybe Seattle (that loss to Tampa knocked them down IMHO). No, the Dolphins, Giants and Lions are not top teams.

We are 0-4 against that crew, right? Seems like we have no talent and just plain suck. Well, we gave the game to the Chiefs due to crappy play calls and a bad pick 6. We lost the game on the road Denver due to a missed FG after some bad clock management to not be able to use 2 downs to get closer. Oakland, we all know about the pick 6 (stupid play call again right next to the end zone) and the punt it to the other team for their game winning drive. Atlanta was also another pick six when we had clawed our way back into the game and were down 8 with the ball.

We could easily be 3-1 against the elite of the NFL and 3 of the 4 games were on the road even with all of the injuries we've had. Some of you guys are so jaded it's ridiculous. This season has sucked. We've lost so many close, winnable games in so many creative ways it has been really tough to watch, but this team doesn't need a flawless anything to compete. It needs a new OC so that teams don't know exactly what we are doing and uses the talent we have well.

Taken winning seriously means not stepping on your toes like he has the last couple years, I can show you numerous statements he's made, just to turn around and do exactly what he stated he wouldn't,also sounds like he didn't listen to our OC on getting another TE, then there's the negotiations that fell through, and for what? You have two once in a decade players and we're too busy looking ahead instead of focusing on now. No one cares about cap space if you use it correctly(signing the right players, spending it in the correct areas,not over spending). Our two 2nd rounders in past drafts haven't crack the starting line up, and both recent 1st rounders aren't even seeing the field. Now coaching isn't absolutely in the clear either but our guys need to be in the same page isn't of bragging about not bending at the knee to agents


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[Cpt slay a ho]

That said, I agree on RBs. There are too many of them to waste a top 10 pick on them. Something about Fournette worries me, but to be honest, maybe it is the team and the injuries. If you don't have a QB, kind of hard to do well against that stacked Alabama D. I still want McGlinchey or Robinson if they grade out well enough. That is the position where I think we would improve the most and the hardest position to find in free agency (great LT). JPP is a great DE and he'll be a FA. Also, DE, CB and S appear to be pretty deep so around pick 40, you could get a first round talent at those positions. TE also appears to be twice as deep as last year, so the guys who want a 2nd TE could easily find a good one at the top of the 3rd.

I like this draft a lot, especially if McGlinchey declares and he'd be crazy not too since this is his 4th year and he likely is a top 10 pick in a down year for OT depth. I like some of the later round prospects, but as developmental guys, not starters next year. If we stay at pick 8, I like the talent there and at 39 (we'd swap with LA in the 2nd).

We agree on this part


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[AceBoogie]

58 minutes ago, emhoward said:

Wow. I usually agree with you. This is way off to me. 

Drafting seems to be his main strength to me. He's good at picking players. 

It's negotiations and lack of activity in free agency that causes me to give him the side eye at times.

Ok so tell me who he's picked that's been a difference maker. KK was last year, this year not so much. He's drafted a lot of guys who spend a lot of time watching on Sunday. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Personally, I think a lot of it is coaching and not being able to adjust. We see it when the offense sputters and when the D gives up big leads. We even saw that last year when we had pretty light injuries and played great.

When you see Tolbert still getting the ball in key spots and Delaire outsnapping Shaq, something is wrong. Funchess was the star of camp/preseason as was Shaq and we can barely get them in a game? I think we blame DG for stuff when players aren't playing instead of the coaches for figuring out how to use the guys who should give us an advantage. Even look at Ealy, someone posted a link where we took Ealy 13 picks after Dallas was considering him and said if they hadn't moved up they were thinking about him. They also said they would have taken Turner with the 3rd they used to trade up. Sometimes it doesn't work out, sometimes it does, but I think this team has a lot more talent than we have seen this year.

Instead of getting another TE, because we ran a 2 TE set seems nice, but do you realize that Shula wasn't the OC that season? Why can't he figure out how to make Olsen, Benjamin, Funchess and Ginn uncoverable?

The more I watched this year, the more I think talent prevailed last year and made us look great. Same with 2013 when Hardy was a monster with CJ and Cam was Cam. Still, we can't figure out how to score at the goal line? So many examples like that the past few years.

Tbh we both could be right, there's key
Missing info from Both sides we'd need to see who's responsible. Again I'm not absolving the coaches from blame, nor am I a "Dg hater" but with coaching staff and DG it frustrates me when they make a good move then top it off by making a questionable/bad decision. I'd also prefer my GM not publicly brag about negotiations with agents, that something that doesn't need to be publicized. I just hope everyone can get in the same picture next year because we are stuck with both and coach for a couple years barring boneheaded decisions by both


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[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

Current NFL draft order: 

1. Cleveland Browns   
2016 record: 0-12 (.571) 
Top needs: QB, CB, WR    

2. San Francisco 49ers 
2016 record: 1-10 (.558) 
Top needs: QB, Edge, WR 

3. Jacksonville Jaguars 
2016 record: 2-9 (.533) 
Top needs: OL, DT, S 

4. Chicago Bears 
2016 record: 2-9 (.541) 
Top needs: QB, DB, TE 

5. New York Jets 
2016 record: 3-8 (.504) 
Top needs: G, TE, LB 

6. Cincinnati Bengals 
2016 record: 3-7-1 (.561) 
Top needs: C, LB, Edge 

7. Tennessee Titans (from Los Angeles Rams 4-7) 
2016 record: 6-6 (.444) 
Top needs: CB, WR, TE 

8. Carolina Panthers 
2016 record: 4-7 (.517) 
Top needs: OT, DE, RB 

9. Arizona Cardinals 
2016 record: 4-6-1 (.450) 
Top needs: G, QB, ILB 

10. Indianapolis Colts 
2016 record: 5-6 (.488) 
Top needs: LB, OL, RB 

 

If we want a real shot at Cam Robinson, we are going to have to have a worse record than the Jaguars, because they will take him. 3 of the 4 first picks will likely be QBs or DEs. So getting to the 5th position will likely result in us having our pick of any player in the draft, minus Cam Robinson and Myles Garret/Jonathan Allen.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

I don't want Robinson. I posted earlier that I basically see him as a poor man's Greg Robinson.  Beast of an athlete and physical specimen, but just not much of a football player. Wouldn't be surprised to see him at RT or even kicked inside to OG.

Robinson's pass protection is a hot mess right now. When you combine that with the offseason arrest for possession of a stolen handgun and narcotics possession that got swept under the rug by a small town DA who didn't want to shatter a hometown hero... PASS

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't want Robinson. I posted earlier that I basically see him as a poor man's Greg Robinson.  Beast of an athlete and physical specimen, but just not much of a football player. Wouldn't be surprised to see him at RT or even kicked inside to OG.

Robinson's pass protection is a hot mess right now. When you combine that with the offseason arrest for possession of a stolen handgun and narcotics possession that got swept under the rug by a small town DA who didn't want to shatter a hometown hero... PASS

When that OT from Notre Dame, Mike McGlinchey, finally decides to declare for the draft, that is our guy!!!

[Carl Spackler]

We're almost guaranteed a top-five pick and could pick as high as third, maybe even second if the 49ers win a few. But odds are we'll pick third or fourth.

[emhoward]

11 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Ok so tell me who he's picked that's been a difference maker. KK was last year, this year not so much. He's drafted a lot of guys who spend a lot of time watching on Sunday. 

How do you define difference maker? 

I wouldn't traditionally define Michael Orr as a difference maker. But the offensive line looks a lot "different" without him. (Obv Gettleman didn't draft him, just using this as an example to define difference maker)

I tend to ask myself a simple question. 

Based upon their draft slot, were they a good pick. 

You'd get some to disagree with the following but I think most NFL teams and scouts would agree with it. 

What you look for....

Top 5 pick: You want them to be perinneal all pro's. 

Top 10 pick: Probowlers 

11-20: Good players, a Probowl or two. 

20-30: above average starters. 

2nd round: average starter. 

3rd round: below average starter. 

4th-7th: depth and special teams. 

Based on the above...

2013 : Star: I would say he's a good pick. Not a great one. I don't know that he has pro bowl potential, which was one of the qualifications I listed it. 

Short: He was an all pro last year. He's not as disruptive this year and he's still outperforming his draft slot. Excellent pick. 

2014: Benjamin. Good pick. He's an above average starter. We want him to be great but he's only flashed that potential so far. If you held a 2014 re draft, he'll go where he was drafted or slighty higher.

Kony: based upon his pick slot he should be an average starter and right now he's not starting at all. He's flashed but failed to be consistent. I'd list him as a poor pick, but not horrible.

Turner: excellent pick. No paragraph needed.

2015:

Shaq: doesn't get enough playing time, but I'll list him as a poor pick anyway. I'm confident he's a baller, as is most Panther fans, but he doesn't see the field enough for me to list him as a good pick yet.

Funch: would have listed him as a fair pick except that we traded up for him. So I'll list him as poor.

2016:

Too soon, too soon for 2015 to be honest but I did it anyway.

So that's his record drafting in the first 3 rounds so far. I think it makes him a good but not great drafter. If Shaq proves to be what we think he is, it'll bump him up some.

 

 

 

[My Goodness My Guinness]

We're almost guaranteed a top-five pick and could pick as high as third, maybe even second if the 49ers win a few. But odds are we'll pick third or fourth.

Please explain mathematically how we are almost guaranteed a top five pick


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[LinvilleGorge]

33 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

When that OT from Notre Dame, Mike McGlinchey, finally decides to declare for the draft, that is our guy!!!

Haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion.

[Nails]

12 minutes ago, My Goodness My Guinness said:

Please explain mathematically how we are almost guaranteed a top five pick


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Exactly.  Far more unlikely than the playoffs.