Listen to ourselves...

[qazsazsaz]

4 minutes ago, cvlngnir said:

I personally get tired of all the we should lose out to improve the draft talk. One player will not completely change a team in the NFL. That is what I love about football vs. most other sports, it elevates the team above the individual but still celebrated individual contributions. Plus, I doubt you can many of the players on a team to lose intentionally. They have been driven to win their entire lives. Hard to turn that off. I think the players should play to win always and the fans should always be behind them, cheering at every positive turn.

I remember hearing the SB hangover talk earlier in the summer and thought it should not happen to us but it still felt like it was a shadow hanging over us. It seems we just never got that out our heads coming into this season. We got behind early, lost our swagger and never found a way to get it back.

I do believe that Gettleman has done much more good for this team than he has done to hurt it. The Norman situation has been his biggest mistake, for sure, and we need OL help, but beyond that I haven't seen much I didn't like. Plus, the Bradberry pick is looking pretty good.

One player can't change a team? Cam Newton? Luke? Remember, we had dismal seasons before that. That's how we got those guys by sucking the year before. No matter how good you think Dave is, he wasn't getting either of these players picking in the 20s. Bradberry is pretty good, but what about the rest of the draft? Maybe Vern can develop into a JAG. Maybe Worley can as well. Are you happy with that?

[cookinwithgas]

I want my team to always try and win the game that is in front of them. Even if they suck.

 

Many years when we had a terrible team, we had some of the best games, since we weren't expected to win and pulled something out of the hat. Those victories are shorter lived, but more intense.

Our motto is "We've never lost a tailgate" and we take it seriously. We are here to have a good time with a common purpose that's fun and interesting - we can't control the team, and that's part of the fun to me in that putting your faith in something you have no control over can be liberating unless you depend on other people winning games to determine your happiness.

I can't tell you how depressing the long, long walk back to the car was after the Superb Owl for my wife and I - and our friends who ended up spending a lot more than we did to go - but halfway back to SF in the car I got over myself and realized how amazing a year we had, it was over, and next year was going to be completely different for our team, we just didn't know how yet. I feel bad for the people on the team working so hard and just barely failing, but thats the norm in the NFL not the exception.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Dunn said:

The biggest issue I think most have and are dealing with is this...

It'd be one thing if we went..10-6 or 9-7 last year, got into the playoffs or barely missed it and this season resulted, hey it could have definitely been a possibility and not be THAT surprising.  To have just come off a season where you were 1 loss away from a perfect season and a Super Bowl appearance?  This is literally one of, if not the worst case scenario of a season you could have after last season.  Just sucks.

Truth is you could have seen this coming like I did and at least prepare yourself. We did what few if any teams do who go to the Superbowl, we made wholesale changes and went on the cheap with rookies and JAGs. What Superbowl team does that unless you are forced to because you lose players to other teams or are cap strapped. We didn't even try to keep several of them and this dumpster fire is the result. Add injuries to key positions and there you go.

[cvlngnir]

6 minutes ago, qazsazsaz said:

One player can't change a team? Cam Newton? Luke? Remember, we had dismal seasons before that. That's how we got those guys by sucking the year before. No matter how good you think Dave is, he wasn't getting either of these players picking in the 20s. Bradberry is pretty good, but what about the rest of the draft? Maybe Vern can develop into a JAG. Maybe Worley can as well. Are you happy with that?

I stand behind what I said. If Cam has no targets or OL he can't singlehandedly carry a team. My point is proven by how he has performed behind the rag tag OL this season compared to last season when the OL was performing much better. He has always had Olsen and solid RB play as well. Same for Luke, he has had a great DL and TD to help and last year had Norman.

Don't get me wrong, I think Cam and Luke are great, better than most we have seen play the game, but it still a team sport and even the best need good supporting players.

[Dunn]

6 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Truth is you could have seen this coming like I did and at least prepare yourself. We did what few if any teams do who go to the Superbowl, we made wholesale changes and went on the cheap with rookies and JAGs. What Superbowl team does that unless you are forced to because you lose players to other teams or are cap strapped. We didn't even try to keep several of them and this dumpster fire is the result. Add injuries to key positions and there you go.

Sadly I was only confident we would do good...to a point because yes, history is against us, we have NEVER done well back to back seasons and Ron's teams always start flat...so in the back of my mind sadly I did know this was a very real possibility but I fooled myself saying since on paper we got better offensively that the lack of defensive help could be overcome by a superior scoring offense.  I was dead wrong.

[panthers55]

16 minutes ago, Dunn said:

Sadly I was only confident we would do good...to a point because yes, history is against us, we have NEVER done well back to back seasons and Ron's teams always start flat...so in the back of my mind sadly I did know this was a very real possibility but I fooled myself saying since on paper we got better offensively that the lack of defensive help could be overcome by a superior scoring offense.  I was dead wrong.

Except that Shula's offense requires a good O line and we barely had good starters let alone backups. When Oher went down things went South in a big way.

[outlaw4]

Whenever the whining and crying over here becomes too much, I simply go to another team's message board and remind myself that, for the most part, football fans love making the same complaints over and over again the moment they suffer any loss and setback. It's almost hilarious how you can just replace our names with theirs and get the same lines.

[a girl is no one]

8 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

Whenever the whining and crying over here becomes too much, I simply go to another team's message board and remind myself that, for the most part, football fans love making the same complaints over and over again the moment they suffer any loss and setback. It's almost hilarious how you can just replace our names with theirs and get the same lines.

Lol yep. I went over the the Cardinals board just to see what their fanbase is looking like since they are in a similar situation as us (great 2015 season, expected to do great this season, but now struggling). They are complaining about their head coach and GM. Only real difference is they have an issue at the QB position for the future. Well, I guess it's not so different for those who think we should trade Cam for a draft pick...

[outlaw4]

16 minutes ago, a girl is no one said:

Lol yep. I went over the the Cardinals board just to see what their fanbase is looking like since they are in a similar situation as us (great 2015 season, expected to do great this season, but now struggling). They are complaining about their head coach and GM. Only real difference is they have an issue at the QB position for the future. Well, I guess it's not so different for those who think we should trade Cam for a draft pick...

They also have more aging pieces (ex. Fitz) and a much tighter cap. Hard to gauge but I think they want Arians gone more than we do Rivera.

Denver boards are also a nice read. You'd think a Lombardi would appease them but now you have people implying that Kubiak having another health issue that forces him into retirement is a good thing.

[qazsazsaz]

2 hours ago, cvlngnir said:

I stand behind what I said. If Cam has no targets or OL he can't singlehandedly carry a team. My point is proven by how he has performed behind the rag tag OL this season compared to last season when the OL was performing much better. He has always had Olsen and solid RB play as well. Same for Luke, he has had a great DL and TD to help and last year had Norman.

Don't get me wrong, I think Cam and Luke are great, better than most we have seen play the game, but it still a team sport and even the best need good supporting players.

Um, I never said that other positions do not matter. However, it's a lot easier to pick higher in the draft and no team (besides the Patriots) have been able to have long-term success continuously drafting late. It was a lot easier for the Giants GM to pick OBJ over KB. We didn't have that option. Yes, you can get great players later in the draft like Norman, Brady, etc, but it is hard. More likely, the guys at the top of the draft are going to be your key stone guys. Look at the Cowboys and Raiders now. Not only are they doing good this year, but they have talent to take them for a couple more years. They sucked for a long time, and their high pick players panned out (unlike the Browns). That's how the league is designed. If you're going to be mediocre (pick in teens to lower 20s), then you're probably going to be picking there for a while. But if you want to build dynasties you need those corner stone guys like Cam and Luke that come early in the draft. Look at the Cubs. The GM basically admitted to tanking for 3 years so they could finally win the big one.

I think Dave understands this (see his statements after letting go Norman). He more or less said, look I can have this guy for one year, but then what? I don't get long-term success from keeping him. Whereas if I get a guy like Bradberry, yes it's going to cost me a pick, yes it will take time for him to reach Norman's level, but I get to have him long-term and build long-term team success. 

[The_Rainmaker]

On 11/29/2016 at 10:42 PM, Cat Fanboy said:

Yes- I am overly positive.  I get rid of negative things in my life - I actually (try) not to come here after a loss everyone is so bitter.  i am not stupid crazy - I know the season is over...which stings all the more as I had high hopes...like us all.

Here is what I think I know:

1. We lost ...5? games where it could have gone either way.  That' the simple truth.  That means the plan...the people...everything WAS setup to succeed.

2. YES - our coaching staff needs to take a hard look in the mirror.  Our special teams continue to suck now for what...8 years?  Our defense puts linebackers on their receivers.  Our offense makes NO changes at halftime.  We don't go for the throat - we play it conservative.  Instead of trying to win we try not to lose.  I DONT know what losing Shula would mean to Cam.  I don't.  I don't really CARE either - lets take a chance and get a new O coordinator!!!!

4.  OTHER teams - our opponents (!!) LURK here...they eat up our sadness and feast on our tears in some kind of schadenfreud (s?) way.  Go to seahawks.net now and see for yourselves.  Other teams - especially NFC South - HATE us.  They HATE Cam.  Why?  Because we have friggin owned them for 3 years.  The chickenhawks want to say they have the best defense 'of all time' yet we swept them last year.  Falcons and Saints thing they have the best offense.  Buccaneers have sucked so long they don't know how to feel.  They are ALL here like little *itches.  They KNOW that I KNOW they WISH they had Cam as their QB.  ALL these teams?  They HATE their Oline....Saints & Falcons hate theif defense and call for firing themselves!!!!

 

Maybe I am in the minority...thats fine.  But I TOTALLY trust Gettleman!!!!!!  Does everyone just forget what was going on??  YES - it would have been great (especially in HINDSIGHT that we make Norman play out his tag....BUT if we all remember we were trying to sign SHORT!!  Does everyone really forget??  Thats the ONLY mistake I've seen him make!!!  I (personally) wanted us to make Norman play out, draft Henry, get rid of all these other friggin loser RB....thats fine - I am a mid level manager in a friggin call center....wtf do I know about scouting or football???

 

Anyway - I will NEVER root for my/OUR team to LOSE.  I dont CARE about draft picks because I KNOW Gettleman will get a GREAT person whether thats #5 or #15.  I want to beat the snot out of the Chickenhawks Sunday night and go to their board and bathe in their tears.

 

This has to be the dumbest thread , reality  and record shows that DG fuged up on the draft andFA hence we lost those 5 games due to lack of talent. coaches where left with polishing turds but end of the day they are still Turds. 

 

Coaches tried to get the best players on the field but opposing teams attacked the Panthers where they forced to go to a weaker position. 

Ex. The Raiders game Ron wanted Shaq on the field on 4-3 and Buffalo package but Raiders came out with 5 WR that forced us to go nickel which being the weakest personnel for the Panthers thanks to Dave Gettleman 

[UKPanther94]

Things looked a lot worse November 2014 and we won 15 games the year after. Okay we arent making the play offs this year, but it's not the end of the world

[Snake]

Tis' the life of a Panthers fan. It's also why I refuse to buy PSLs as well. One good season for 3 bad is not a return on investment. 

[csx]

4 hours ago, Snake said:

Tis' the life of a Panthers fan. It's also why I refuse to buy PSLs as well. One good season for 3 bad is not a return on investment. 

Do you only have fun with your friends and family on a beautiful day if the team wins?