I cannot freaking believe we still won't have back-to-back winning seasons

[Jon Snow]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If memory serves, the Eagles under Reid/McNabb lost three straight NFC Championship games before finally making the Super Bowl, then losing that.

I know that hurt.

Yeah and one was to us.  Hell of a game too.  They talked so much poo before the game and to watch them get punked was glorious...fug the Eagles.

[nctarheel0619]

3 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

I'm sick of it and I fuging hate it. We were in the damn Super Bowl in February. I just can not believe this team, the coaches, the front office all decided to get full of themselves and fug the fans over this year. I really am just tired of the same poo happening over and over again.

Not gonna lie, it's pretty bad.  The injury excuse has got to go.  This team didn't have injuries last year, and that's not usual at all for a team.  Gettlefugup should of signed better backups for the injuries that were probable to come.  Alas, he didn't.  So, this is the result.  Injury attrition happens to every team, we got lucky with ours last year.  No way to think that would happen again.  

[ClawOn]

The NFL is a zero sum game.  Someone wins,  someone loses. It's really that simple. If you can't manage consecutive winning seasons,  you know which one you are. 

[t96]

13 minutes ago, nctarheel0619 said:

We won't.  But dreams are what makes life tolerable.  So keep having them, good sir.  

I'm not sure if you saw what the Bucs just did to them...

[ickmule]

I can and I'd bet that will not change until we have new ownership.  JR accepts this $hit so it'll continue 

[t96]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If memory serves, the Eagles under Reid/McNabb lost three straight NFC Championship games before finally making the Super Bowl, then losing that.

I know that hurt.

Well they got cheated out of their Super Bowl like us and the Rams... When players from all 3 teams attest that there was no way the Pats could've known certain things unless they taped their walk-throughs I think there's something up... And it wasn't just players being sore losers. Kurt Warner had won a Super Bowl before losing to them and also lost to the Steelers and never said anything about them cheating...

[panthers55]

28 minutes ago, csx said:

By far the biggest obstacle from us having a winning (though not sb contending) season is injuries. I honestly can't see how that isn't blatantly obvious. That's off your only concern is back to back which is the topic of the thread. Throw in a dismantled  secondary that cost us ato least 3 games. Coaching is a distant 3rd to either in magnitude.

I saw this coming all offseason. And coaching wasn't even close to the problem. It wasn't just Norman but the whole secondary we either didn't resign or moved to another position. And I posted it would cost us games early. It would take at least 8 games for the rookies to even understand where they should be playing let alone come close to playing as well or better than the player they were replacing.  I told everyone that the Dline only shines when the secondary can go man and stay with their receivers for the 2-3 seconds it takes to generate pressure. So we dial up all kind of blitzes to hide the Dline and we play zone which other teams pick apart.  If you don't sign Noman at least bring in some good vets to start while the rookies learn.

Throw in our mediocre o line to start with and poor backup depth and we were a disaster waiting to happen. This is like 2004 when we suffered so many injuries to key players and backups routinely became starters. The only silver lining is that as long as we don't dump all the backups they should have plenty of starting experience for 2017. Do you get that Gettleman? You didn't listen to me last offseason  and you should have. Sign your players and pay them fairly and stop trying to go cheap and show everyone how tough you are at the risk of losing more core players. As we now know and I told folks that Norman may not have been a core player to Gettleman but he was a team component to our chemistry in the secondary and the locker room.  Coleman was never the leader. Harper, Tillman and Norman were the vocal leaders. No there is a culprit and it isn't coaching. If coaches get fired they will be the sacrificial lambs. It could have been better for sure but there are some elephants in the room that people are overlooking. 

 

[csx]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I saw this coming all offseason. And coaching wasn't even close to the problem. It wasn't just Norman but the whole secondary we either didn't resign or moved to another position. And I posted it would cost us games early. It would take at least 8 games for the rookies to even understand where they should be playing let alone come close to playing as well or better than the player they were replacing.  I told everyone that the Dline only shines when the secondary can go man and stay with their receivers for the 2-3 seconds it takes to generate pressure. So we dial up all kind of blitzes to hide the Dline and we play zone which other teams pick apart.  If you don't sign Noman at least bring in some good vets to start while the rookies learn.

Throw in our mediocre o line to start with and poor backup depth and we were a disaster waiting to happen. This is like 2004 when we suffered so many injuries to key players and backups routinely became starters. The only silver lining is that as long as we don't dump all the backups they should have plenty of starting experience for 2017. Do you get that Gettleman? You didn't listen to me last offseason  and you should have. Sign your players and pay them fairly and stop trying to go cheap and show everyone how tough you are at the risk of losing more core players. As we now know and I told folks that Norman may not have been a core player to Gettleman but he was a team component to our chemistry in the secondary and the locker room.  Coleman was never the leader. Harper, Tillman and Norman were the vocal leaders. No there is a culprit and it isn't coaching. If coaches get fired they will be the sacrificial lambs. It could have been better for sure but there are some elephants in the room that people are overlooking. 

 

I was a huge Gettleman guy but it's pretty obvious and I couldn't ignore the facts. Hopefully he learned from this. His previous philosophy of vet leaders to fill needs while drafting with some leeway I thought was excellent. Then he stopped in his tracks and it showed  this season.

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, csx said:

I was a huge Gettleman guy but it's pretty obvious and I couldn't ignore the facts. Hopefully he learned from this. His previous philosophy of vet leaders to fill needs while drafting with some leeway I thought was excellent. Then he stopped in his tracks and it showed  this season.

We all gave him a pass when we were cap strapped and had to let folks go we wanted to keep. In fact he did a great job. As long as he could keep pulling rabbits out of his hat finding gems that make our team better at bargain prices we all approved. But now we aren't cap strapped and have 10 of millions to spend yet we didn't fill obvious needs with vets we could afford but instead go all in with unproven rookies going on the cheap. It isn't Richardson that is cheap it is Gettleman. And it finally bit him in the ass this year.

[nctarheel0619]

1 hour ago, thomas96 said:

I'm not sure if you saw what the Bucs just did to them...

It's in Seattle, and we're awful.  All bets are off.  

[GoobyPls]

Complacency is the name of the game. Everyone and their mother knew we over achieved last season, we had major flaws disguised by Cam's prodigious season. Instead of addressing those flaws Gettleman sat on his ass thinking he can strike luck twice.

 

Our receivers were horrible, our line was top 10 in sacks per pass attempt. Our pass rush was so bad at one point we had to trade for a dinosaur in Jared Allen and blitz more than ever.

[Lumps]

I would honestly rather go to the playoffs 5 years in a row than go to the super bowl and lose. One hit wonders vs consistency.

 

The panthers are not that great of and organization as far as winning. I blame the ownership, not a fan of JRs style of clinging on to what doesn't work and meddling. These new Cam fans, most of our fan base that will be gone when he leaves, as well as the nc natives who care little about winning a more about moral type ownership have homer glasses that will never get them to see the facts. I don't care is JR desires to win, he doesn't know how. He cannot do the job whether he wants or believes he can or not.

 

The Panthers are in the bottom 33% of the NFL when looking at W/L ratio since inception. This is a fact. It cannot be disputed. It can't get much worse unless we want to compare to the Browns. It can really only get better, but it won't start until new ownership...or the current owner changes the way he does things because the above fact, is the result of current ownership as of now.

[csx]

It would be interesting to see if anyone in here pushing the tragedy of no back to back winning seasons has also been a proponent of losing out for draft status.

[Kevin Greene]

We've been to the Playoffs 3 straight years.....who the hell do we think we are, the Patriots?