Nail in Coffin - Ryan Kalil and Gradkowski to IR

[Mvp2014]

2 hours ago, arbnranger said:

Fair point. It really comes down to philosophy and having the right personnel to execute your vision. Our system worked against all but 2 teams last year. You have to say logically that's a percentage you can work with. To your point, the system broke down because we don't have the right guys for the job this year. When the machine breaks down you look to find the most efficient way to fix it. Maybe it's changing the system, maybe its replacing guys that aren't performing to the standard. Which is more attainable? Who knows, both paths should be examined thoroughly.

Yeah thats all I'm getting at.  For all I knkow Cam needs this system to thrive and wouldn't be able to make the reads in another style offense.  

[CRA]

23 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So if you're on board that Rivera is a successful head coach and it's just a player issue, then I can assume you'd stand behind his personnel decisions, right?

Decisions like continuing to play Mike Tolbert...

Like giving Ryan Delaire more snaps than Shaq Thompson...

Like bringing aboard Legedu Naanee as a primary receiving option...

Like sticking with Amini Silatolu over Andrew Norwell until injuries forced a change...

There are other examples, as well.

But hey, if all Rivera needs is the right players, then we can trust him to make the correct player decisions, right?

well now you are attempting arguement that must I Ron defend everything Ron related now.

Ron can be a success HC if the FO gives him what he needs.  A perfect HC? One that still wouldn't lose some games that he could win? Of course not.  Everyone has flaws.  Ron does. 

You are wanting to take only extreme stances in this discussion.

you give Ron what he needs and I think he wins more than he losses.  That simple.  Now he will still lose games because he is Ron Rivera....I am not arguing Ron isn't flawed and often can be is own worst nightmare. 

Everyone has pros and cons.  Which outweighs the other is the question pending he is relatively given what he needs....that is the ultimate question 

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, CRA said:

well now you are attempting arguement that must I Ron defend everything Ron related now.

Ron can be a success HC if the FO gives him what he needs.  A perfect HC? One that still wouldn't lose some games that he could win? Of course not.  Everyone has flaws.  Ron does. 

You are wanting to take only extreme stances in this discussion.

you give Ron what he needs and I think he wins more than he losses.  That simple.  Now he will still lose games because he is Ron Rivera....I am not arguing Ron isn't flawed and often can be is own worst nightmare. 

Everyone has pros and cons.  Which outweighs the other is the question pending he is relatively given what he needs....that is the ultimate question 

You say "flawed".

I say "not good enough".

He's had six years to show who he is, and this is it.

[CRA]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

You say "flawed".

I say "not good enough".

He's had six years to show who he is.

Yeah, a guy that can win if you give him good defensive talent and a run game

Gettlemen should know what he is...

you seem to only want to point out the errors of Ron.  FO has their own part in regards to what 2016 is.  

Everyone knows what Ron is.  Dave can't play dumb about not knowing what Ron needs to have success 

 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

Yeah, a guy that can win if you give him good defensive talent and a run game

Gettlemen should know what he is...

you seem to only want to point out the errors of Ron.  FO has their own part in regards to what 2016 is.  

Everyone knows what Ron is.  Dave can't play dumb about not knowing what Ron needs to have success 

What Rivera needs is a coordinator job.

What we need is a head coach.

[outlaw4]

18 minutes ago, CRA said:

Yeah, a guy that can win if you give him good defensive talent and a run game

Gettlemen should know what he is...

you seem to only want to point out the errors of Ron.  FO has their own part in regards to what 2016 is.  

Everyone knows what Ron is.  Dave can't play dumb about not knowing what Ron needs to have success 

 

Just to play devil's advocate a bit, Rivera was here when we had Hurney. Then here comes Gettleman and while they seem to get along well enough, they may see eye to eye on what the Panthers should be less than with Hurney. Had Rivera not make the playoffs in 2014, it's possible Gettleman would have a head coach today that fits his style better. Now, there's no guarantee that would've been better for us. We might've had that SB run anyways or have back to back losing records. 

And just for those that think about firing Rivera and wanting someone that held HC before, I know it would never happen but I'd be rolling on the floor if this guy came waltzing through the door:

[Mr. Scot]

Ugh!

Thank God the Panthers don't do retreads.

Pretty sure George Seifert cemented that that was never going to happen again.

[Pimpdaddy]

ok...i've moved on...but Gman will be scrutinize every move he makes...he didnt do poo for us this year...

[ThPantherFan]

6 hours ago, KB_fan said:

I find myself wishing we had a developmental QB project

Joe Web.

[CWORS]

Stick a fork in this season, we're done! Get well guys!!

[The_Rainmaker]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

So if you're on board that Rivera is a successful head coach and it's just a player issue, then I can assume you'd stand behind his personnel decisions, right?

Decisions like continuing to play Mike Tolbert...

Like giving Ryan Delaire more snaps than Shaq Thompson...

Like bringing aboard Legedu Naanee as a primary receiving option...

Like sticking with Amini Silatolu over Andrew Norwell until injuries forced a change...

There are other examples, as well.

But hey, if all Rivera needs is the right players, then we can trust him to make the correct player decisions, right?

http://www.panthers.com/media-vault/audio/Rivera-Well-continue-to-play-hard/8c7ac894-db33-4975-962d-2fd5fcb4263d

You really have selective memory if you listen to his press conference he clearly stated that he Wanted Shaq to play base and the buffalo package, but the Raider came out with 5 WR and forced Panthers to go Nickel which happens to be the biggest weakness thanks to Dave Gettleman. 

Who are you gonna replace Tolbert with Fozzy & CAP they aren't world-beater either all the sub-par talent that is on the field is due to Dave Gettleman's poor investment on the offensive side. Dave obsession with size needs to stop and understand need of balanced player. We should have drafted a smaller shiftier WR that compliment KB not a mimick player.

Devin Funchess the supposed # 2 vs Lockette choesn in the 3rd round

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Wide receiver Devin Funchess, Carolina’s second-round pick last year, has caught only 49 passes for 758 yards in 27 games. That averages out to less than two catches a game.

 

[DamnItJake!]

Well at least Bradberry and Worley have time to figure out what they are doing on the field now without me really giving a crap!! Turning one direction and wondering where the receiver is pathetic, not sure if it was Worley or Bradberry but it just summed up the season..he's on your inside dummy..wish I had a gif of it..

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, DamnItJake! said:

Well at least Bradberry and Worley have time to figure out what they are doing on the field now without me really giving a crap!! Turning one direction and wondering where the receiver is pathetic, not sure if it was Worley or Bradberry but it just summed up the season..he's on your inside dummy..wish I had a gif of it..

Young players getting reps is one of the few good things you get about the backstretch of a season like this one.

[The_Rainmaker]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Young players getting reps is one of the few good things you get about the backstretch of a season like this one.

I'll be looking forward to some young talented  OT's getting their feet wet next season.