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Nail in Coffin - Ryan Kalil and Gradkowski to IR

Jeremy Igo

By Jeremy Igo,
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Mr. Scot Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

I tried telling you all over and over again that Cam's legs were the reason for the #1 ranking. Whether running for yardage or to buy time. As soon as he was told not to run any longer, the offense went to poo. 

Remind me...Whose decision was that?

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17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So basically, just give Ron the best roster in the league and he probably won't screw it up bad enough to lose games.

Seems legit...

Um, how does giving Ron well rounded defensive talent and talent to have a run game....some how equate to needing the best roster in the NFL. 

Patchwork veterans to defend the pass and guys to maybe add slightly in pass rush...and decent guys that can mount a good rush attack maybe? 

Harper and Peanut weren't Sherman and Thomas.  Upgrading over Remmers and company isn't asking for the next Ogden.  

If you are a FO and you don't give your HC the basics to do what he does....then that isn't a coaching fail (which IMO is your 2016 argument). Then your FO defense is Ron would need the 85 Bears roster and that is totally unreasonable so he sucks.  Nah, he just needs functional pieces to have a decent run game and play legit D and that wasn't provided from the jump. 

 

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24 minutes ago, CRA said:

Um, how does giving Ron well rounded defensive talent and talent to have a run game....some how equate to needing the best roster in the NFL. 

Patchwork veterans to defend the pass and guys to maybe add slightly in pass rush...and decent guys that can mount a good rush attack maybe? 

Harper and Peanut weren't Sherman and Thomas.  Upgrading over Remmers and company isn't asking for the next Ogden.  

If you are a FO and you don't give your HC the basics to do what he does....then that isn't a coaching fail (which IMO is your 2016 argument). Then your FO defense is Ron would need the 85 Bears roster and that is totally unreasonable so he sucks.  Nah, he just needs functional pieces to have a decent run game and play legit D and that wasn't provided from the jump. 

 

I'm pretty sure you weren't meaning to, but in these posts you've successfully encapsulated the Rivera philosophy.

"Just let me run my system. No need to adjust. No need to worry about what other teams do. No need to game plan around other team's strengths and weaknesses. Just line up and do what we do and everything will be okay."

"Oh, it didn't work? Must be the players' fault. It sure as heck can't be my system or my coaches."

Congrats. You've summed up Rivera perfectly.

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2 hours ago, stbugs said:

Have we? We may resign him to practice squad. He looked terrible in the games I saw him come in, but future, he could develop into a decent backup. You have to be waived to go to the practice squad first and we had to bring up Larsen. With Remmers, Williams (before the game), Scott and as we saw Turner, our biggest need on the 53 was a C because Gradkowski was already gimpy and Kalil was out and Scott didn't really work out at C.

Yeah. We signed a guard/center and a tackle and signed 2 OL to the PS. None were Hawkins.

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1 hour ago, arbnranger said:

I know you've been saying it for a while. I don't believe you are as crotchety as some would believe. You have some millennial rubbing off on you. I bet you know who Fetty Wap is don't ya?

I will admit to having heard the name before, and that's it.

 

 

 

 

Now get off my lawn.

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11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm pretty sure you weren't meaning to, but in these posts you've successfully encapsulated the Rivera philosophy.

"Just let me run my system. No need to adjust. No need to worry about what other teams do. No need to game plan around other team's strengths and weaknesses. Just line up and do what we do and everything will be okay."

"Oh, it didn't work? Must be the players' fault. It sure as heck can't be my system or my coaches."

Congrats. You've summed up Rivera perfectly.

Ron is a defensive HC.  It is what it is.  It describes Pete Carroll and the likes too. 

If you don't like that brand of football fine.  But if you are a FO and have one and want to win.....then you give those guys 2 things.  Defense and the ability to run. 

and heading into the 2016 before the first snap....the talent at DB paired with DE and the OL didn't meet the talent standard a FO gives a Defensive HC pending they wanted to win that season.  It isn't hindsight...and that is the angle you portray that he was given the talent people are deflecting his failure into good enough talent. 

Given Ron is what he is...your beloved Gettlemen failed going in if we legitimately were going to contend.  Weak OL, rebuilting level secondary paired with searching for DE play for somebody ...isn't good enough by Dave 

 

 

You seem to to be arguing Ron shouldn't be what he is and Dave shouldnt expect him to be it and if Ron can't deal with whatever then it is a coaching fail.  

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23 minutes ago, CRA said:

Ron is a defensive HC.  It is what it is.  It describes Pete Carroll and the likes too. 

If you don't like that brand of football fine.  But if you are a FO and have one and want to win.....then you give those guys 2 things.  Defense and the ability to run. 

and heading into the 2016 before the first snap....the talent at DB paired with DE and the OL didn't meet the talent standard a FO gives a Defensive HC pending they wanted to win that season.  It isn't hindsight...and that is the angle you portray that he was given the talent people are deflecting his failure into good enough talent. 

Given Ron is what he is...your beloved Gettlemen failed going in if we legitimately were going to contend.  Weak OL, rebuilting level secondary paired with searching for DE play for somebody ...isn't good enough by Dave 

You seem to to be arguing Ron shouldn't be what he is and Dave shouldnt expect him to be it and if Ron can't deal with whatever then it is a coaching fail.  

So if you're on board that Rivera is a successful head coach and it's just a player issue, then I can assume you'd stand behind his personnel decisions, right?

Decisions like continuing to play Mike Tolbert...

Like giving Ryan Delaire more snaps than Shaq Thompson...

Like bringing aboard Legedu Naanee as a primary receiving option...

Like sticking with Amini Silatolu over Andrew Norwell until injuries forced a change...

There are other examples, as well.

But hey, if all Rivera needs is the right players, then we can trust him to make the correct player decisions, right?

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5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So if you're on board that Rivera is a successful head coach and it's just a player issue, then I can assume you'd stand behind his personnel decisions, right?

Decisions like continuing to play Mike Tolbert...

Like giving Ryan Delaire more snaps than Shaq Thompson...

Like bringing aboard Legedu Naanee as a primary receiving option...

Like sticking with Amini Silatolu over Andrew Norwell until injuries forced a change...

There are other examples, as well.

But hey, if all Rivera needs is the right players, then we can trust him to make the correct player decisions, right?

Hell Josh Norman was in his doghouse forever.

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