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LOL: Ron on the decision not to go for it on 4th and 1

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7 minutes ago, stbugs said:

What are you talking about? After the 4th and 1, it was 32-32. Carr drove them down 82 yards and kicked a FG and we got lucky that Crabtree slipped or it would have been an 87 yard TD drive. Our miss on 4th and 1 lead to a nice game winning drive. Yes, we did get the ball back, but after they got a FG to go up 35-32.

I think you are completely forgetting the end of the game. The punt didn't work. They went down the field and went ahead, almost by 7.

I do sometimes try and put these disasters out of my mind and you are right we stopped the TD but not the field goal. still I am not convinced going for it would have been different unless we could have run out the clock. How many late drives have we stopped this year. How many points have we scored in the fourth quarter. I think they still were going to score on us meaning we were going to have to score on them which we didn't do in either of our.last few drives.

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3 hours ago, stbugs said:

Yep, I know people love to hate on Gettleman and I probably look like I'm in love with him, but I see a team with more than enough talent to beat 3 of the top teams in the NFL (@Oakland, @Denver and KC). I don't blame Gettleman for the team we have because I feel like we continue to find ways to screw up a win like the 4th and 1. It's almost like we can't see the overall situation and just base it on what happened last time or the book. Oakland had regained their offensive momentum so giving them the ball back was the wrong decision. As was going for 2 over and over.

Same thing in the KC game on the 20 play drive. We are going against Alex Smith who's passed for 3 TDs something like 1 time in the last few years and we aren't satisfied with a 37 yard FG to go up 17 (3 scores) to start the 4th quarter? Nope, 2 passes and 2 sacks and we have to punt with our kicker. We didn't need to be up 21, but as we saw we needed to be up 17 and we had 17 with no worries if we run.

Same thing in Tampa. 1st and goal at the 1 and Tampa is missing 3 of their 4 starters on the DL including their best player DT McCoy. Do we hammer it in? Nope, get cute, blow a chance to go up 7 and win the game.

How can we be so bad at decisions? Last year was a bit lucky, an easier schedule and no key injuries that weren't fixable (like Allen for CJ). It and Cam's brilliant play covered up the same stuff like almost losing huge leads to the Giants, GB and Indy.

Know what was another bad decision?

2:00 left in the 1st half and Ron (yet again) goes conservative.  And tell's Shula to go conservative.  And Shula going conservative meant running on 1st down to draw them in then calling the Extra Special Pirouette Screen Pass To Disaster.

Yeah, the offense wasn't playing well in the 1st half.  But we weren't getting the ball first in the 2nd half, so why go conservative?  Why waste ANY opportunity to try to score when you are already struggling to try to score?  Wouldn't giving your offense more opportunities to try to score possibly increase your odds of scoring?

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4 hours ago, truthjuice said:

I forgot about that awful Monday night game. But was that so much of Ron as it was Shula? Or equal?

I'll keep repeating this because it's true:

Mike Shula runs the exact offense and calls the exact type of plays that Ron Rivera demands of him.

If he didn't, Mike Shula wouldn't be Ron Rivera's offensive coordinator.

Head coaches don't get to pass the buck.  And, after this amount of time together, its perfectly clear that Shula is carrying out the Rivera plan.  If he wasn't, we would either have a different OC or the present OC would be executing a different philosophy in the game plans.

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3 hours ago, truthjuice said:

Were you tempted to go for it on 4th-and-1? "Yes very much so, but again with five minutes in that type of situation I decided not to. I thought again we could get a good punt, get them down there, we still had three timeouts and that's what I was working with."

 

LOL. More faith in a defense that will give up points than in your QB who gets that yard 90% of the time. Days later, I still don't understand his train of thought on this. Per Herm Edwards, YOU PLAY THIS GAME TO WIN. 

Can the Panthers please hire Herm Edwards as HC..he gets it..LOL

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4 minutes ago, SportsCrazie4172 said:

Can the Panthers please hire Herm Edwards as HC..he gets it..LOL

Haha Although I do love Herm, maybe bring him in as a motivator for a few games because he no doubt will get you hype. However as a coach, his record isn't that good. 8 years as a HC, 10 wins was his best, that happened twice. 54-74 career record.

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1 minute ago, arbnranger said:

Haha Although I do love Herm, maybe bring him in as a motivator for a few games because he no doubt will get you hype. However as a coach, his record isn't that good. 8 years as a HC, 10 wins was his best, that happened twice. 54-74 career record.

Herm would be awesome with our core..I also said earlier in the season to go get Gruden ..We need somebody who isn't a walking corpse on the sideline..

 

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6 minutes ago, SportsCrazie4172 said:

We can only dream..

Herm and Cam..good lawd!! Panthers could blow the NFL wide open...

Try holding them back when a call doesn't go the way it's supposed to be. Herm would be eating fines weekly over Cam's treatment. That fire is definitely missing in the staff. 

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3 minutes ago, SportsCrazie4172 said:

Herm would be awesome with our core..I also said earlier in the season to go get Gruden ..We need somebody who isn't a walking corpse on the sideline..

 

Herm Edwards was not a good head coach.  His record is terrible and he didn't make good decisions.

Neither was Gruden.  He took the Bucs from Super Bowl contenders (thanks Tony) to the basement.

Passion isn't enough to make someone a good coach.  If that were all it took, Jeff Fisher would be a winner instead of holding the record for most losses.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Herm Edwards was not a good head coach.  His record is terrible and he didn't make good decisions.

Neither was Gruden.  He took the Bucs from Super Bowl contenders (thanks Tony) to the basement.

Passion isn't enough to make someone a good coach.  If that were all it took, Jeff Fisher would be a winner instead of holding the record for most losses.

Gruden won his Superbowl..

Ron didnt..

I'll take anybody rather than Ron don't play to win Rivera ..

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