LOL: Ron on the decision not to go for it on 4th and 1

[Navy_football]

19 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I guess being decimated on the OL and having virtually no push up the middle when Gradkowski went down had no bearing on the decision. 

Truth is we got the ball back and had a chance to tie the game or win if Olsen catches that pass.

Wait, wasn't Larsen playing Center at the time? He and Scott look like the biggest mofos on the field to me - next to Love and Soliai.

[SamMills4Life]

25 minutes ago, truthjuice said:

If there was ever a time to get gutsy and go for it, it was then. I think that was the dumbest decision I've seen Ron make. 

Go watch the end to the Tampa Bay game again. That was inexcusable.

[rippadonn]

Ron wants his team to play aggressive while coaches passively and gives the ball back instead of going for the dagger. He lets his head get in the way instead of going on instinct and recognizing momentum shifts. You did not want to give the ball back to Carr and he did.

Why didn't he punt on 4th and 10? Why did he break with philosophy then? F' philosophy! It's football! You play to win the game!!! Hello?!?

[Proudiddy]

My thought in any situation like that is this, if your defense cant stop them and you go for it and fail, you gave them a shorter field to eat up clock with.  You still get the ball back, bit with more time.  If you convert it, you have the opportunity to chew the clock up and they never see the ball again.  Going for it is a win-win, punting it makes it that much harder when your defense hasnt shown the capacity to stop them.

[Navy_football]

18 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Offensive line was fielding back ups of back ups in two positions, two starters playing out of position and Cam hadn't been able to move the ball on the ground all day. Stewart, barring that one great run, had been stuffed all day, Tolbert had continued his futility and Fozzy, well, he just wasn't happening either.

Short, quick throw? Was there any real reason to think that would work when it hadn't all day? Barring the two big miracle TD passes, Cam was having one of his worst passing days ever. 

And, we're sitting there on our own side of the field. Not making the first down would give them incredible field position. Fumbling or throwing another interception would end the game almost immediately. 

Three timeouts, a defense that had come alive and brought the team back into the game, and Carr playing exclusively from the shotgun due to a dislocated finger on his throwing hand. 

Rivera made the logical choice, conservative or not. Had they gone for it and failed, he would have been crucified for that, too. 

The Raiders offense had just woken up the previous drive. They moved the ball with relative ease, just like they did on the game winning drive. Said it at the time. There is no way in Hell I would let 2 feet come between putting their offense on the field and keeping mine out there. Say what you want about Cam as a passer, but he may be the best short yardage QB/RB of all time. This was a goal line situation. And the oline was probably better suited for short yardage with Scott and Larsen anyway. 

[Paa Langfart]

Maybe ron has no faith in Shulas play calling and that is why he failed to go for it.

[panthers55]

30 minutes ago, stbugs said:

You know we averaged over 5 ypc on the 25 carries for the game, right? The decimated OL was actually playing decent and the Raiders aren't a run stuffing opponent.

Also, with Olsen, KB and Funchess, you don't think there is a play to get a WR open 2 yards downfield? Isn't that what their for, to be open because of their size even when covered?

We could have gotten the first and drove down and scored and kept the ball away from Carr. Did you know that Carr has the 2nd most 4th quarter/OT game winning drives (1 less than Stafford) since the start of 2015? I bet you didn't and I am sure as poo our coaches didn't either.

First of all average yards per run is irrelevant to get 1 yard when you have to and the defense is stacking the line. Very different situation. Now take away Williams and Gradkowski and what do you have? A very different and poor O line from the start of the game. And really how many times this year have we kept teams from scoring in the fourth quarter. You are grasping at straws here

 

[Khyber53]

3 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

The Raiders offense had just woken up the previous drive. They moved the ball with relative ease, just like they did on the game winning drive. Said it at the time. There is no way in Hell I would let 2 feet come between putting their offense on the field and keeping mine out there. Say what you want about Cam as a passer, but he may be the best short yardage QB/RB of all time. This was a goal line situation. And the oline was probably better suited for short yardage with Scott and Larsen anyway. 

It's all just speculation, really. No telling what would have happened. But when it came down to it, the coach also saw nothing there that made him think the team had it in them to win that contest of wills. He had the measure of his guys more than we'll ever know.

[panthers55]

27 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Wait, wasn't Larsen playing Center at the time? He and Scott look like the biggest mofos on the field to me - next to Love and Soliai.

If big equalled talented and skilled. Then every fat 6-5 350 lb guy would be in the NFL.

[BAMFpanther]

Didn't john fox do that same crap of going for two multiple times putting us in a horrible position at the end where the extra point would have made a difference. Pretty sure it was the rams playoff game in 03. Could be wrong. Reminded me a lot of that when we kept trying for two and crapping the bed.


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[Navy_football]

2 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

It's all just speculation, really. No telling what would have happened. But when it came down to it, the coach also saw nothing there that made him think the team had it in them to win that contest of wills. He had the measure of his guys more than we'll ever know.

I think it was the logical, safe decision. I don't think Ron was considering the will of his players at all. 

I'd bet everything in my savings account on Cam to make less than one yard with 3 men well over 300 pounds in front of him. I'd put him under center and say push for 2 feet. Cam is gonna will that 2 feet for a win. 

The alternative was putting the game on a defense that had honestly over performed all day, up until the 4th quarter. 

This team has 2 bonafide stars on it. I love TD, but Luke and Cam are it. With no Luke in the game, I put it on Cam. Players win games. Coaching can only lose it. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, BAMFpanther said:

Didn't john fox do that same crap of going for two multiple times putting us in a horrible position at the end where the extra point would have made a difference. Pretty sure it was the rams playoff game in 03. Could be wrong. Reminded me a lot of that when we kept trying for two and crapping the bed.

It was in the Super Bowl.

[Navy_football]

6 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

If big equalled talented and skilled. Then every fat 6-5 350 lb guy would be in the NFL.

You're absolutely correct. But big does equal strong and hard to move.

Not talking about a reach block or a pulling guard. Just need 3 big mofos and a big a$$ QB to push 3-4 other big mofos back 2 ft - with the advantage of knowing the snap count. 

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I think it was the logical, safe decision. I don't think Ron was considering the will of his players at all. 

I'd bet everything in my savings account on Cam to make less than one yard with 3 men well over 300 pounds in front of him. I'd put him under center and say push for 2 feet. Cam is gonna will that 2 feet for a win. 

The alternative was putting the game on a defense that had honestly over performed all day, up until the 4th quarter. 

This team has 2 bonafide stars on it. I love TD, but Luke and Cam are it. With no Luke in the game, I put it on Cam. Players win games. Coaching can only lose it. 

Since you are so loose with your money. I have some prime real estate around Lake Lure for sale. The price is real low, you might call it a fire sale.