Steve Wyche: Negative Vibe Inside of Panther's Organization

[mountainpantherfan]

I wish I had the time to search for a story that one of the beat writers wrote back during training camp. It talked about Mike Rucker driving a Panther themed golf cart onto the practice field and without any annoucment to the players or coaches everyone stopped what they were doing and heading over to the golf cart. They all stood in complete silence as they listened to a privete speech given to them by Jerry Richardson.

Anyone that thinks that Jerry Richardson's actions as owner has provided NEGATIVE results in the players and coaches has a bad case of "can't see the forest for the trees." To me, JR isn't just one of the best owners in the league, he is the best owner in the league. Instead of speculating on if he has become too out of touch with the fans maybe the fans need to step back and look at themselves and ask if they are over-reacting to a fleeting, yet bad situation. I mean, my God, this team was just 12-4 last season and until the end of the 1st quarter in the playoffs every fan was riding high.

I also want to point out that there may be many fans now that are trying to sell their PSL's but I'm sure that has nothing to do with financial situation that the country and esspecially the Charlotte banking industry is currently facing...

[bigjohn]

It's amazing how according to some fans, we're so much incredibly worse at every level this year over last year this time.

We now have the worst coaches, quarterback, defense, special teams and owner in the league.

Get a grip.

Wonder what will happen to this thread if we rip off 6 straight wins?

[AKPantherFan]

if we rip 6 straight the team will have proved us wrong....

good for them, i hope they do...

[bleys]

Wow, where the f**k do I start...

I guess with this...

I still think JR is a classy guy, he just doesn't recognize who his market is. The fans pay his bills, not the NFL. He has pretty much ignored his fans since he started the franchise, and it's coming back to bite him in the ass. Like a few have mentioned before, he'll figure it out once it hits his bottom line. Until then, he's still sitting on top of his mountain oblivious to how he's alienating his client base.

and what is all of this based on to give you this opinion?

This entire thread is opinions based on personal observations. Unless your name is Jerry Richardson, you don't know what's going on. Hell...half of the threads on here are opinions and deductions. The only facts any of us have are statistics, which largely don't mean anything either. Even quotes are second hand and often taken out of context.

This is the best example I have ever seen of people on this board creating their own opinion based off of absolutely horse poo... You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, yet you are sitting there shitting all over a man who ... wait, let me quote someone who pointed this out already..

I wish I had the time to search for a story that one of the beat writers wrote back during training camp. It talked about Mike Rucker driving a Panther themed golf cart onto the practice field and without any annoucment to the players or coaches everyone stopped what they were doing and heading over to the golf cart. They all stood in complete silence as they listened to a privete speech given to them by Jerry Richardson.

Anyone that thinks that Jerry Richardson's actions as owner has provided NEGATIVE results in the players and coaches has a bad case of "can't see the forest for the trees." To me, JR isn't just one of the best owners in the league, he is the best owner in the league. Instead of speculating on if he has become too out of touch with the fans maybe the fans need to step back and look at themselves and ask if they are over-reacting to a fleeting, yet bad situation. I mean, my God, this team was just 12-4 last season and until the end of the 1st quarter in the playoffs every fan was riding high.

I also want to point out that there may be many fans now that are trying to sell their PSL's but I'm sure that has nothing to do with financial situation that the country and esspecially the Charlotte banking industry is currently facing...

Mothergrabber, and everyone bashing this man... You have absolutely no idea how to look at situations and form a solid opinion. It gets really old to read this same bullshit day in and day out about knee jerk reactions you all have based on nothing creditable and based absolutely on emotion rather than intellect of any kind.

It isn't so much about the topic... It's the simple fact that I read this poo every fugging day and you have never provided me such a clear and appropriate example as you have in this thread.

Why is this so clear? Because you are completely shitting on the character of a man who wasn't running the show at ALL. Where do I know this incredibly factual information? THE GUY HAD HEART SURGERY.... Let me break this down for you. He was in a hospital, laying in a bed, hoping to make it another day alive on this earth.

During this time JR was bed ridden and out of action regarding making decisions.

The simple fact that the two people who were in charge whilst this did happen, were forced out by JR pretty much as soon as he took back all his responsibilities, says a lot.

In my eyes, if that is the source of the problem, then it's clear most were having problems with the guys making the decisions. JR is back now and went to the source of the problem. I doubt this will hang over us for long.

BRILLIANCE! wow, it's amazing you were able to form such an informed opinion on a matter we know so little about... Oh, wait.. It's been all over the f**king news... Thank you for your contribution and let's hope it helps the people who lack the ability to recall factual information and form an opinion based on that information.

Good lord, JR is a great owner. Hires people to do the work and steps away from the day to day decision. He makes no decisions on who to sign and who to release. He hires people and delegates, unlike Jones and Davis.

We could not ask for a better franchise owner than JR. Now squash it.

Yet again... It's amazing. How do we all come up with anything more than second hand opinions and deductions other than stats (which mean very little to those all-knowing entities who base their opinions on nothing containing substance)...

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Mothergrabber, and everyone else.. I do not feel good posting this, but at some point this poo has got to be called out and there is no better example than now. Please take time to form an opinion that has some sort of substance and solid structure. Please look at things without your emotions completely controlling all logic. Put in some sort of intellect into your opinions and please quit "calling it how you see it", which means nothing more than the inability to control said emotions..

We all are growing tired of seeing our team out coached on most days, the inability to get key positions filled with good players (DT, FS, WR), and etc. Emotions are going to be a part of the equation. But at least try to recall past events as they happened and not how you feel...

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and don't go all Bill Clinton and say, "Well, what is "is"...?" Totally ignoring the clear facts that have been presented throughout this time and to try to discredit it as "second hand opinions and deductions" would be completely ridiculous...

[bleys]

Wow, where the f**k do I start...

I guess with this...

I still think JR is a classy guy, he just doesn't recognize who his market is. The fans pay his bills, not the NFL. He has pretty much ignored his fans since he started the franchise, and it's coming back to bite him in the ass. Like a few have mentioned before, he'll figure it out once it hits his bottom line. Until then, he's still sitting on top of his mountain oblivious to how he's alienating his client base.

and what is all of this based on to give you this opinion?

This entire thread is opinions based on personal observations. Unless your name is Jerry Richardson, you don't know what's going on. Hell...half of the threads on here are opinions and deductions. The only facts any of us have are statistics, which largely don't mean anything either. Even quotes are second hand and often taken out of context.

This is the best example I have ever seen of people on this board creating their own opinion based off of absolutely bullshit... You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, yet you are sitting there shitting all over a man who ... wait, let me quote someone who pointed this out already..

I wish I had the time to search for a story that one of the beat writers wrote back during training camp. It talked about Mike Rucker driving a Panther themed golf cart onto the practice field and without any annoucment to the players or coaches everyone stopped what they were doing and heading over to the golf cart. They all stood in complete silence as they listened to a privete speech given to them by Jerry Richardson.

Anyone that thinks that Jerry Richardson's actions as owner has provided NEGATIVE results in the players and coaches has a bad case of "can't see the forest for the trees." To me, JR isn't just one of the best owners in the league, he is the best owner in the league. Instead of speculating on if he has become too out of touch with the fans maybe the fans need to step back and look at themselves and ask if they are over-reacting to a fleeting, yet bad situation. I mean, my God, this team was just 12-4 last season and until the end of the 1st quarter in the playoffs every fan was riding high.

I also want to point out that there may be many fans now that are trying to sell their PSL's but I'm sure that has nothing to do with financial situation that the country and esspecially the Charlotte banking industry is currently facing...

It gets really old to read this same bullshit day in and day out about knee jerk reactions you all have based on nothing creditable and based only on emotion rather than facts of any kind.

Why is this so clear? Because you are completely shitting on the character of a man who wasn't running the show at ALL. Where do I know this incredibly factual information? THE GUY HAD HEART SURGERY.... Let me break this down for you. He was in a hospital, laying in a bed, hoping to make it another day alive on this earth.

During this time JR was bed ridden and out of action regarding making decisions.

The simple fact that the two people who were in charge whilst this did happen, were forced out by JR pretty much as soon as he took back all his responsibilities, says a lot.

In my eyes, if that is the source of the problem, then it's clear most were having problems with the guys making the decisions. JR is back now and went to the source of the problem. I doubt this will hang over us for long.

BRILLIANT! wow, it's amazing you were able to form such an informed opinion on a matter we know so little about... Oh, wait.. It's been all over the f**king news... Thank you for your contribution and let's hope it helps the people who lack the ability to recall factual information and form an opinion based on that information.

Good lord, JR is a great owner. Hires people to do the work and steps away from the day to day decision. He makes no decisions on who to sign and who to release. He hires people and delegates, unlike Jones and Davis.

We could not ask for a better franchise owner than JR. Now squash it.

Yet again... It's amazing. How do we all come up with anything more than second hand opinions and deductions other than stats (which mean very little to those all-knowing entities who base their opinions on nothing containing substance)...

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I do not feel good posting this, but at some point this poo has got to be called out and there is no better example than now. Please take time to form an opinion that has some sort of substance and solid structure. Please look at things without your emotions completely controlling all logic. Please quit "calling it how you see it", which means nothing more than the inability to control said emotions..

We all are growing tired of seeing our team not live up to their potential.

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and don't go all Bill Clinton and say, "Well, what is "is"...?" Totally ignoring the clear facts that have been presented throughout this time and to try to discredit it as "second hand opinions and deductions" would be completely ridiculous...

[Whitaker 24]

An we still dont have a #1 pick for 2010 draft! Man

[Mother Grabber]

I never said anything bad about JRs character. In fact, I have said quite the opposite on multiple occasions. He is a very stand up guy, and there a lot of things about the way he runs the Panthers that are admirable. What I'm talking about is the culture of the organization and team. It is conservative and soft. JR wants to have family friendly atmosphere, yet that does not translate to a hard knock, tough football atmosphere. JR can be hands off all he wants on daily operations, but he still defines the culture of the organization and team. We've been watching this team and agonizing over how soft they play for years.

This is a discussion board. We get on here and discuss things. We share our opinions, that's why we come on here. Seems kind of ridiculous to tell people not to come on here and share their thoughts. If all you want is facts, read the box score after the game is over. I don't mind if you disagree with my opinion, but I would prefer that you disagree with what I'm actually saying. I like JR, I think he's one of the highest character guys in the NFL. That doesn't mean, however, that he can run a championship caliber football team.

[firstdayfan]

THANK YOU!!! I'm so glad you said that. Some people on here think that this is some kind of news outlet and that everything should be hard facts. This is a forum on the Carolina Panthers, who are currently 0-2, what do you expect? Of course emotions are high, of course people will make assumptions and even say things that don't make a lot of sense, but here's the magic little secret that gets me through it all...you don't have to read it.

Everyone has an opinion and unfortunately there are people that no matter what they won't LISTEN to others opinions. Everyone is so quick to attack others on this board that noboday just pays attention to what is said and what isn't said. Yes JR is a great owner, probably in the top 10 in the league, but the current state of the team is unexceptable and his has to shoulder some of the blame, after all they don't call him the BIG CAT for nothing. The same could be said if we won a Super Bowl, the same people who say he has no effect on the team will be the same ones saying that JR got us a Super Bowl. Its all relative and its natural for people to quesiton every aspect of an organization who starting with last season's playoffs have severaly let their fans down.

So while its tough to "know" exactly what JR is thinking and doing, its also been tough to watch the Panthers play the last 3 games (7 including preseason). We as fan deserve the right to question, criticize, and down right accuse people of doing whatever we think they may be doing. Who cares if its true or not? I'm sure JR will be just fine no matter what is said in this thread.

:rant:

[2plankingpanther]

Wow... Some things are starting to make more sense now. Steve Wyche of NFLN, said that this week isn't just a must win to keep us from going 0-3 to start the season. He said according to two sources inside the organization, there is a negative vibe permeating within the franchise and the stadium (BofA). Said he was told there are serious morale problems within the team and organization.

He said he was told by these sources that the negative vibe started during last season when some of the members of the organization didn't receive their shares of a "playoff bonus" and then continued from there. He then went on to mention the mass exodus of assistant coaches as part of the fallout and he said that if we don't win this game Monday that there is going to be a serious snowball effect.

He said the negativity has continued into this season and that there are serious morale issues b/c of it.

It was obvious there is something not right with this team. And despite our start, and that I expected to lose Monday, I was still holding out hope that John Fox would work some magic and dig deep and get these guys to play their best when it mattered. It's sounding more and more like that isn't going to happen. I hadn't heard of the withholding of playoff shares before... Then the coaches leaving (including Trgovac who was offered a contract), and then the Richardson sons leaving... I just don't know what's going on right now, but it's not good.

Well,if everything falls apart,....Cowher!

[weyco2000]

Nice post Mother Grabber, emotions are high and people come here to vent their frustrations. Beware the sharks are lurking looking for spelling or grammatical errors. Jeez, I thought this was the panthers forum, not english class. If you dont like the content, then go to another thread. Believe it or not there is a way to tell someone they are full of it, then move on.

[Squirrel]

Front office I have heard has always been messed up. The Football side not the case.

[Matt Foley]

Front office I have heard has always been messed up. The Football side not the case.

Mark was the aloof, booksmart son. When the Panthers were in their Super Bowl season, he saw that every coach was getting a newspaper and that not all the coaches were picking theirs up every morning. So he cancelled all but three of the newspaper subscriptions. The coaches couldn't believe it.

When the Panthers beat the Eagles, he had all of the people under him convene in the conference room. We thought it was going to be a "great job, everyone" meeting. Instead, he told us all to keep working and he didn't want to see us talking, gathering, etc. He'd drop in on meetings between salesmen and their clients saying "you're going to give us some money, right?" and crap like that.

Jon was a very different sort of manager. People loved him. But he wasn't nearly as business savvy as Mark. He fired the groundskeeper (rumor was the groundskeeper would show up drunk half the time) and the field fiasco developed the next game vs. the Packers, when Morgan broke his leg. But if you knew somebody who loved the Panthers and they were going through a very tough personal time or they experienced something awful at the stadium, he never hesitated to call that person and see what he could do.

[weyco2000]

Great insight Meat!

[ThPantherFan]

Is JR turning into Al Davis but to a slightly lesser extent?

Okay, it's going too far! First Zod with a sarcastic remark, now this.:rofl: