Voth suggests Shula could be replaced

[csx]

17 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

What exactly needed fixing? Like I've stated Kalil, Turner and Norwell are more than fine. Oher is adequate. Remmers is average to mediocre. There was nothing to coast on. Please show me how not gathering more Pro-Bowlers was considered as coasting. To reiterate for the 1,000,000th time, Williams (a back up has performed more than well for a guy who apparently 'hit a wall' in development and wasn't looked at to replace Remmers by our COACHING STAFF) and Gradkowski (our back up center who also got injured but was performing decently) are depth. They've gone beyond our expectations for back ups.

What is the problem? You guys are obsessed with blaming the front office for why our offense is struggling despite the unfortunate injuries but the reality is the TALENT IS THERE. We were handling teams like Denver, Minnesota and Kansas City until

I don't what to say beyond this. Gettleman has supplied us with a roster to win. What have we done this season? REGRESS. Who's responsibility does that fall on? COACHING. 

I honestly can't agree with anyything you've said or even see the logic in it. I'm not saying that to be a dick.  I just can't agree that the talent is there to win. We lost like 7 starters from last year to FA, retirement, or not bringing back. Then we got hit by a injury bus. there is nothing at all clear about that being on the coaches. It's like you are watching a different team.

[CPF4LIFE]

The run game and O line has been overrated for the longest. Is there talent there? yes. But when you cant run the ball in a traditional style, no holes are opening....something is wrong. Half the rushing yards shouldnt come from the freaking QB. The RB should be putitng out at least 100 by himself with cam adding to that . They were saying on the radio how Stewart has to break a tackle at the line of scrimmage on nearly every rush just to get any type of gain. That does not equal a good run game,

[CRA]

54 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I am a fan of Gettleman and I believe in his plan.  I do agree he could have spent some of that money and after the season I would hope he would sign the core players we need. 

If he is going to be a tight wad and expect every good player to come out of the draft than I would start to dislike his ego. 

Building through the draft is the correct way to go but you have to fill those gaps with good players until those lower round rookies develop.  Keeping the core of good players should be right there with building.   As they said earlier, no one wants to develop a player for another team.

If your emphasis on building through the draft and you repeatedly start using first round picks on guys who are intended to be depth for seasons....you aren't doing it right 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, csx said:

I honestly can't agree with anyything you've said or even see the logic in it. I'm not saying that to be a dick.  I just can't agree that the talent is there to win. We lost like 7 starters from last year to FA, retirement, or not bringing back. Then we got hit by a injury bus. there is nothing at all clear boutique that being on the coaches. it's like you are watching a different team.

The primary coaching issues aren't solely tied to this season.

Slow starts (in both games and seasons); poor depth chart and active roster decisions; sloppy, undisciplined play; poor clock management; failure to adjust to what other teams do; second half collapses; all of those things have been evident every season since Rivera has been here, including last season.

The notion that we have coaching issues didn't just start this year,

[truthjuice]

13 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

What exactly needed fixing? Like I've stated Kalil, Turner and Norwell are more than fine. Oher is adequate. Remmers is average to mediocre. There was nothing to coast on. Please show me how not gathering more Pro-Bowlers was considered as coasting. To reiterate for the 1,000,000th time, Williams (a back up has performed more than well for a guy who apparently 'hit a wall' in development and wasn't looked at to replace Remmers by our COACHING STAFF) and Gradkowski (our back up center who also got injured but was performing decently) are depth. They've gone beyond our expectations for back ups.

What is the problem? You guys are obsessed with blaming the front office for why our offense is struggling despite the unfortunate injuries but the reality is the TALENT IS THERE. We were handling teams like Denver, Minnesota and Kansas City until AFTER halftime. That isn't on personnel. That's on COACHING. COACHING. COACHING.

If our personnel was poo, we wouldn't be getting leads in the first place. I mean, good heavens, this is not quantum cryptology.

You know what good coaching does despite being figured out??? ADJUST. Remmers was godawful at the Superbowl. Raped by Von Miller. Did we give Cam underneath, short routes to counter the pass rush? NO. Did we shift more help towards Remmers to fend off Miller? NO.

I don't know what to say beyond this. Gettleman has supplied us with a roster to win. What have we done this season? REGRESS. Who's responsibility does that fall on? COACHING. 

I stopped at "Remmers is average" lmao. Have it your way. Coaching, once again is definitely an issue, but Gettleman is too. I understand that's your man and all, but he adding his hand into the mess we have before us.  It's totally fine with me if you want to live in a world where Gettleman doesnt fug up or has no responsibility in the bad parts. Whatever makes you happy. 

Happy holidays. 

[*FreeFua*]

6 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

The run game and O line has been overrated for the longest. Is there talent there? yes. But when you cant run the ball in a traditional style, no holes are opening....something is wrong. Half the rushing yards shouldnt come from the freaking QB. The RB should be putitng out at least 100 by himself with cam adding to that . They were saying on the radio how Stewart has to break a tackle at the line of scrimmage on nearly every rush just to get any type of gain. That does not equal a good run game,

This.

ESPECIALLY the bolded part 

[tiger7_88]

Shula Defense Squad... ACTIVATE!

[Kakarot]

I know it's cliche as hell, but the saying is true: if you're not getting better, you're getting worse. We lost quite a few starters, and relied on the previous years depth, draft picks, Kelvin Benjamin, and a few depth free agent signings to be able to produce better results than last year. The front office literally did the bare minimum. The front office gambled, and so far they've lost and it's probably going to cost a coach or two their job. 

Not the biggest Shula fan, but he knew his offense had been figured out and tried to get some talent in here to help what he saw was coming. To me, the lions share of blame had to go to your talent getter. You had a coach say he needed pieces, and as the GM, you try your best to get him that talent.

[Harbingers]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The primary coaching issues aren't solely tied to this season.

Slow starts (in both games and seasons); poor depth chart and active roster decisions; sloppy, undisciplined play; poor clock management; failure to adjust to what other teams do; second half collapses; all of those things have been evident every season since Rivera has been here, including last season.

The notion that we have coaching issues didn't just start this year,

Every team has coaching issues when they are losing. 

[tiger7_88]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

healthy we have a weak OL and now 3/5th of it is backup players (some 3 deep)

Shula's run scheme has been widely praised for multiple seasons so I think it is a fair assumption to say out run game sucks because of a horrible OL right now.

Or the rest of the NFL has caught up to it (which tends to happen in the NFL) and Shula hasn't changed a flippin' thing?

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Yet, we went 15-1 with this roster. Our core issues this season are what?

- Pass Rush

- Young Secondary

- Second Half Offense

- Injuries 

Growing pains are gonna transpire with two rookies playing CB. It's one of the toughest positions to play as a snot nosed kid just out of school but our front seven was suppose to disguise that deficiency. Why isn't it happening? Because Short, Ealy and Johnson are underwhelming.

Next up, our offense in the second half. We are the worst in the NFL. Why? Some will point to injuries. Others to Shula. In truth, it's a combination of both. We play lights out in the first half but can't finish games. This isn't a new issue either. We've had trouble finishing our opponents for the longest. We can't close.

We didn't go 15-1 with the same roster 

We schemed around a big issue last year and the entire NFL was alerted of that at the end of the season 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Every team has coaching issues when they are losing. 

Other than two of the last three years, that's been us.

Every team has coaching issues whether they're winning or losing, honestly.  The idea is to have more good than bad.

I don't think we do.

[AceBoogie]

The film guy that comes on the Dan LeBatard show just said the problem with our offense is  the tackles. He explained it as with the receivers we have we run an offense with deep routes so Cam has to hold the ball for the receivers to complete the routes and right now there's no time for that to happen. 

So yea basically it's injuries, Gettleman, and lack of adjustments from Shula. 

[truthjuice]

4 minutes ago, Kakarot said:

I know it's cliche as hell, but the saying is true: if you're not getting better, you're getting worse. We lost quite a few starters, and relied on the previous years depth, draft picks, Kelvin Benjamin, and a few depth free agent signings to be able to produce better results than last year. The front office literally did the bare minimum. The front office gambled, and so far they've lost and it's probably going to cost a coach or two their job. 

Not the biggest Shula fan, but he knew his offense had been figured out and tried to get some talent in here to help what he saw was coming. To me, the lions share of blame had to go to your talent getter. You had a coach say he needed pieces, and as the GM, you try your best to get him that talent.

That's my things! If Shula asked and his requests fell on deaf ears, I don't think it's fair that he's the scapegoat. As much as I would like to see him gone, I don't know you can not blame the front office. DG gambled and was too comfortable with Cam and Shula making due with what we had. Shula knew it wouldn't work because we were found out. I do blame him for not tweaking or designing around that.