Voth suggests Shula could be replaced

[csx]

25 minutes ago, Icege said:

We were 15-1 with the same if not less offensive talent last season.

This season, we have last year's offense PLUS Kelvin Benjamin. We still have Remmers on either side of the line.

Yet... we regularly implode in the 2nd half.

It's not talent. It's coaching. If you can't do what you want to do due to the players you have, then change what you do. When Ron was first brought in, that was what stuck out to me more than anything else: That he wanted to work with the talent he had and put them in positions to succeed rather than pigeon-holing them unsuccessfully into roles they couldn't perform. Now, it takes him nearly half the season to conclude that maybe Kony Ealy is better on the left side. -_-

We also have the same coaches. We are without 3 (or 4) starters from that secondary.  1 of which was an all pro and the other two as savvy of vets as you will come across. We are without a veteran DE who will be in the HOF. We don't have two of the other dbs who helped us either.

On offense we are currently playing with only our same guards from last year's line.  We don't have the veteran leadership of Cotchery either 

It's not just one thing but I don't know how anyone can see through all those things to pinpoint coaching when it's not the same team at all.

[thefuzz]

Shula needs to be gone.

We have enough talent on offense to win this division.

We have enough talent on defense to win this division.

We have spent more on offense this season than defense, please stop saying we have pushed all the money/talent to defense.

We have had injuries, bad luck, and regression from both the coaches and almost all of the players.

We will be better next season.

[Jangler]

1 minute ago, nctarheel0619 said:

Here's the thing, I don't even mind the Norman release at this point.  While it was borderline retarded, it's whatever.  Bradberry has shown glimpses of stardom, and I'm okay with that.  Even though Worley has shown glimpses of, uh, well, nothing.  But, completely disregarding the offensive line when they got destroyed in the biggest game of the year.  I just can't go along with that.  

Yeah, he played poker with the line, probably should have kept Norman and started fixing the Oline. But we got what we got..20/20. Gettleman is responsible for playing it wrong. It happens, if it continues then it becomes a problem. If then the focus is not on Turner and the Oline this season, then I'll start to wonder.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, csx said:

Chargers, Vikings, 49ers are all worse and it's not even close. Cardinals, Browns, Colts too

I've heard numerous analysts point out that the Seahawks spent less money on their OL than any team in the league this year.

But, dumbass decision in the Super Bowl aside, Darrell Bevell is actually a decent OC.

[DaveThePanther2008]

2 hours ago, Cary Kollins said:

Funny how the roster is able to score in the first half but unable to score in the second half.

 

Shula knows how to game plan but has no clue how to adjust to those that adjust to him.  It is Obvious.  We sometimes score at will in the first half and then disappear in the second.  Not a coincidence that it all happens after halftime.

Our offense is so simple it don't take long to figure us out.

[nctarheel0619]

1 minute ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Gettleman has done his job.

He has, just in a shitty way.  

[truthjuice]

Just now, Promethean Forerunner said:

Sorry man, we still got Turner (regressed greatly), Kalil (injured), Norwell (regressed slightly) and Oher (injured). Our only weak link is Remmers and he appears to have lost his job to Daryl Williams. We can't have stars as back ups too.

Gettleman has done his job. Coaching is to blame here. You don't have a stud like Turner regress that badly based on depth.

Where did I absolv coaching? Coaching is to blame but they shouldn't take all the blame. DG has a hand in this crap fest as well. I just don't think Shula should take all of the blame and I'm not fan is his at all. 

[nctarheel0619]

Just now, truthjuice said:

Where did I absolv coaching? Coaching is to blame but they shouldn't take all the blame. DG has a hand in this crap fest as well. I just don't think Shula should take all of the blame and I'm not fan is his at all. 

He's one of those "Gettlemen can do no wrong" guys.  

[DaveThePanther2008]

16 minutes ago, Rastlet said:

I just want to say that the lack of the running game recently is due to the fact that we have removed Cam from the running game to try and prevent injury. Cam has been 80% of the offense and it's time he gets some help. You do that by doing what the Cowboys did and get the hog mollies in front of him or you do that by getting a OC that can scheme around our offensive deficiencies. Right now we have neither.

Teams have figured out the Read Option.  Hit Cam as hard as you can each time.   Anyway you can.  The Refs are ignoring the helmet to helmet because he is a 6'5" running back and don't have to call the foul even though they should.

Abandon the Read Option.  Use it just to catch them off guard.  Go to a traditional running game.  Straight hand offs with Tolbert leading the way.  The read option takes so long to develop.  Hole close before Cam decides to keep it or not. 

[Icege]

9 minutes ago, csx said:

We also have the same coaches. We are without 3 (or 4) starters from that secondary.  1 of which was an all pro and the other two as savvy of vets as you will come across. We are without a veteran DE who will be in the HOF. We don't have two of the other dbs who helped us either.

On offense we are currently playing with only our same guards from last year's line.  We don't have the veteran leadership of Catcher either 

It's not just one thing but I don't know how anyone can see through all those things to pinpoint coaching when it's not the same team at all.

That turnover on the defense is why folks are quick to blame the talent over McDermott. With Shula, he's had 4/5 starting OL up until Kalil's injury when the team went 1-5.

I do agree that some type of veteran presence for the WRs would be desirable, but I strongly believe that KB is the better player when given the choice between him and Cotchery.

Don't get me wrong, this isn't all Shula's fault. There's plenty of blame to go around, from the front office to the coaches to the roster. If somebody is going to have to be the scapegoat though, I firmly believe that firing Shula would make this team better.

In a very close second, however, I'd like to nominate Tre Boston for tribute.

[csx]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've heard numerous analysts point out that the Seahawks spent less money on their OL than any team in the league this year.

But, dumbass decision in the Super Bowl aside, Darrell Bevell is actually a decent OC.

It sounds like they are in the same boat we were in last year. that line is being cited as their super bowl flaw. If our line was our sb flaw last year and then you remove 3 starters from that it's hard to for me to even get to coaching with those blatant issues. Starting from flawed at its best and then getting hit with injuries that you ignore in the war on coaches is being blind to the truth.

[CRA]

26 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Seattle's and Minnesota's OLs are 10x worse. No excuses. 

you mean no excuses for Shula.  

McD has more talent than Shula and his unit has been more responsible in losses.  I mean it has to be the coach, right?  

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Go to a traditional running game.  Straight hand offs with Tolbert leading the way. 

Breaking news!  Carolina Panthers just set a new NFL rushing record for most negative yards gained in an NFL game

[ThPantherFan]

2 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

"In the NFL, tumbling from a Super Bowl appearance to out of the playoffs usually requires a fall guy. The Panthers’ once-potent offense is broken, and if Shula can’t fix it soon, Rivera may be on the phone with his former boss Norv Turner come January."

Reaf the whole article here:

http://blackandbluereview.com/panthers-offense-broken/

No poo Sherlock, shual should have been gone a long time ago.  He's an impediment to this organization.  Other factors played into the SB run last year and shula rode the coat tail.  Fire shula!