Voth suggests Shula could be replaced

[tiger7_88]

4 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Shula has a ton... A TON of talent on the offense, including the best TE and QB in the game. 

 

don't give me a talent excuse. Look around the league, people are doing way more with way less. 

Shula is doing what Shula does.

You said that when they promoted him. I said that when they promoted him.

And, as much as he deservedly needs to be fired, he'd still be a scapegoat for the failings of Ron Rivera.

[TheRed]

9 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Shula has a ton... A TON of talent on the offense, including the best TE and QB in the game. 

 

don't give me a talent excuse. Look around the league, people are doing way more with way less. 

Won't shed a tear if he is shown the door.

But you don't go from nearly undefeated, and steamrolling opponents enroute to a Super Bowl all the way tumbling down to barely even being able to establish a running game, let alone protect your QB without some lacking in the personnel department.

We certainly have plenty of talent. I don't think many if any would argue otherwise. That talent doesn't do a lot of good though when we have an OL that is simply not up to the task.

Frankly I'm just about done sinking all our resources into the defense. I want an OL full of mean sons of bitches like Dallas has, and a workhorse RB to take the reins from Stewart. It makes me physically ill that we didn't go all in this offseason with guys like Newton, and Kuechly in their prime.

[CRA]

Facts:  They are what they are (not including this year) under Shula

1.  34-13-1

2.  3 Division Titles, NFC Title

Opinion:

all done with what are to be viewed as weaker OLs and weak skill position players overall around the QB by NFL standards.  Shula is also the first OC I can recall who received consistent remarks from opponents in regards to how difficult the scheme he runs makes it on opponents.  Chud had Cam too but you never heard that praise as coaches studied the film in preparation and talked of the difficulty of it.

 

 

 

....but Shula is totally what went wrong this year.  Little to do with the weakest defense to date of the Shula era and the weakest OL of a weak era.

again, that isn't a real Shula defense. Because he isn't great  But firing Shula just doesn't address the big the real problems the 2016. 

I'm fine with firing Shula ONLY if the bigger reasons for 2016 are brought to light and then addressed.

[Mvp2014]

40 minutes ago, CRA said:

Well they will definitely need scapegoats...Rivera will have to throw someone into the fire 

Voth also reported that Shula lobbied that teams would catch up to what they did last year and wanted the organization to provide talent for him to switch things up this year (he lobbied for the 2nd rec TE tonbe added so he can run legit 2 TE sets but our FO made no moves to improve either side of our team for 2016

instead we added a DT and tore our secondary apart 

offense isn't broken...our OL is broke.  Better OCs than Shula can't actually fix what we are forced to use of late 

highly disagree.  I think a legit OC could mask our deficiencies and adjust realtime during games 5x better.  Maybe we wouldn't be a juggernaut but I do not believe someone who got there job based on merit and not who there dad is couldn't do better than mike f'ing shula. 

[pantherclaw]

Oh Hallelujah, just what the fans mean clamoring for!!

[CRA]

17 minutes ago, SJTG4 said:

But seriously how does Jonathan Stewart not get 0past 50 yards in two straight games?

healthy we have a weak OL and now 3/5th of it is backup players (some 3 deep)

Shula's run scheme has been widely praised for multiple seasons so I think it is a fair assumption to say out run game sucks because of a horrible OL right now.

[CRA]

24 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Shula has a ton... A TON of talent on the offense, including the best TE and QB in the game. 

 

don't give me a talent excuse. Look around the league, people are doing way more with way less. 

Name a team that will put a worse OL on the field Sunday than the one Carolina will?

a wise man once told me, big men up front all you to compete.  people say he is very very wise.  very.

McDermott had even MORE talent on his D....when we lost almost every game to start the season blowing 2nd half leads.  But that is different I guess.  Excuses can apply there.

[Jeremy Igo]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

Name a team that will put a worse OL on the field Sunday than the one Carolina will?

Carolina's OL being terrible is a myth. They have actually done pretty well this year overall. MUCH better than 2014, same result. 

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Carolina's OL being terrible is a myth.

Bruh, lol.

You know I wear them homer shades, but this is pure hysteria.

[Jangler]

45 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

Funny how the roster is able to score in the first half but unable to score in the second half.

 

You cannot easily protect a lead when the other team wants to win too. This curling up into a shell has to stop, and that's not all on Shula.

...that said, we want Norve on that wall. He will save Cam's career and solidify his own. 

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Carolina's OL being terrible is a myth. They have actually done pretty well this year overall. MUCH better than 2014, same result. 

maybe I drink too heavily during games but I see an OL that literally can't run block even the most basic plays and still has to be aided in pass protection by scheme all game (and still gets beat)

  

[Peppers90 NC]

Norv Turner? The guy who just quite in the middle of the season? Eh.

[Jeremy Igo]

3 hours ago, TheRed said:

Bruh, lol.

You know I wear them homer shades, but this is pure hysteria.

Not really. Cam has had ample time in the pocket this year to make plays provided an adequate play was called. That last part is the problem. How many times do I need to post pictures of Cam after 3 seconds getting pressure with zero receivers ready for the ball? 

[csx]

Chargers, Vikings, 49ers are all worse and it's not even close. Cardinals, Browns, Colts too