Voth suggests Shula could be replaced

[ickmule]

Shula or not, the window of opportunity is closing very quickly for  this team.......if it hasn't already slammed shut. 

[iamhubby1]

Shula sucks--No he doesn't

 

Then Gman sucks--No he doesn't

 

Well then Rivera sucks--No he doesn't

 

Then we don't have the talent--Yes, yes we do

 

So...after 27 pages, I still don't have a clue what the trouble is.

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, iamhubby1 said:

Shula sucks--No he doesn't

 

Then Gman sucks--No he doesn't

 

Well then Rivera sucks--No he doesn't

 

Then we don't have the talent--Yes, yes we do

 

So...after 27 pages, I still don't have a clue what the trouble is.

Because its not any one thing.  But if you have to have one thing

turnovers

2016 turnover stats

25

Carolina Panthers

14

19

-5

2015 turnover stats

 

1

Carolina Panthers

39

19

20

 

 

 

 

 

[iamhubby1]

5 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Because its not any one thing.  But if you have to have one thing

turnovers

2016 turnover stats

25

Carolina Panthers

14

19

-5

2015 turnover stats

 

1

Carolina Panthers

39

19

20

 

 

 

 

 

 

Turnovers are big this year no doubt. Especially early in the year.

 

Is it a coinky dinky that we started winning when the turnovers went down? Cam's first four years we couldn't win if we had any turnovers. Last year we won no matter how many we had. This year? It is back to the can't win with any turnovers.

 

Dang wishy washy team. I tell ya what.

[PrimeTimeHeel]

Some of you are funny. 

Aint no GM perfect. DG had hit more times than he has missed That is for sure. 

About the only critic I have of him is not getting another vet in the secondary and maybe trying to add another FA OL player. 

Our OL was decent last year. No one could foresee these injuries. 

Our DL was good last year. No one could foresee their regression. 

Which in turn was suppose to mask the youth of your secondary. 

In games we got pressure the secondary looked ok - good. 

Our troubles can be broken down like this

70% - Coaching

10% - Player Regression

10% - Injuries

10% - GM

[Panthro]

15 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

And the comment was lack of talent in Cam's career.  He had Smith for 3 years.  

You just unknowingly made the case for lack of talent around Cam

[OldNorthPowell]

The fact that teams go into halftime and make adjustments..........only to see Shula not do the same and mix it up should be a sign that his days are numbered or at least should be.

[csx]

I will never argue against OL. We can always upgrade the OL forever as far as I'm concerned.  Outside of that when was the last SB won by a bunch of offensive talent outside of the QB? It wasn't last year. NE big talent was Brady and Gronk. Seattle had defense and Lynch. Ravens? no. Giants? no. GB? maybe. Saints? 

 

These teams won with overall sound play. None of them had loads of offensive stars outside of the QB and one other. They had good players playing well. That's what we had last year. 

[Snake]

4 minutes ago, csx said:

I will never argue against OL. We can always upgrade the OL forever as far as I'm concerned.  Outside of that when was the last SB won by a bunch of offensive talent outside of the QB? It wasn't last year. NE big talent was Brady and Gronk. Seattle had defense and Lynch. Ravens? no. Giants? no. GB? maybe. Saints? 

 

These teams won with overall sound play. None of them had loads of offensive stars outside of the QB and one other. They had good players playing well. That's what we had last year. 

Look at a team like the Steelers. There offense is predicted on two offensive players, a good QB and a solid line. Give Cam the same time as the Steelers give there QB and give Jstew the lanes they give there RB and Shula is a non factor. 

[Davidson Deac II]

2 hours ago, Panthro said:

You just unknowingly made the case for lack of talent around Cam

Didn't do any such thing, unless you are saying that Steve Smith wasn't that talented, in which case we will have to agree to vehemently disagree.  He had Steve Smith for three years, then Kelvin for 1 plus years.  And Olsen for all his years with us.  Not the greatest collection of receiver talent ever, but far from the worst.  Probably a better overall group than the group Delhomme had in 2005 with a great Steve Smith, and couldn't catch a cold Keary Colbert.  Ironically, our most successful year was the year that we had arguably the least talented group of receivers in Cam's years with us. 

[Davidson Deac II]

11 hours ago, PrimeTimeHeel said:

Some of you are funny. 

Aint no GM perfect. DG had hit more times than he has missed That is for sure. 

About the only critic I have of him is not getting another vet in the secondary and maybe trying to add another FA OL player. 

Our OL was decent last year. No one could foresee these injuries. 

Our DL was good last year. No one could foresee their regression. 

Which in turn was suppose to mask the youth of your secondary. 

In games we got pressure the secondary looked ok - good. 

Our troubles can be broken down like this

70% - Coaching

10% - Player Regression

10% - Injuries

10% - GM

Do you blame coaches, players, or the GM for the dramatic downturn in turnover differential? 

[catnip]

Ivan has it right .  We do the same thing as last year and teams have adjusted to what we do. No adjustments

at halftime and the read option puts Cam in a bad spot.  Running from the shotgun has been a bust.  We need

a power run game with a FB and HB to open holes . If we need Cam to run, he can option out on the sweep

plays .

[CosmoGirl]

On 11/23/2016 at 8:09 AM, Cary Kollins said:

Funny how the roster is able to score in the first half but unable to score in the second half.

 

The other team makes adjustments. Can Shula?

[PrimeTimeHeel]

3 hours ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Fair analysis but I would say if there is regression our coaching staff is responsible for it. I'd boost it up to 80%. Shula remains incompetent but what about our skill positions? Why did it take our DL this long to get going? Star has been our North Star all season. Why are our players committing stupid penalties, especially on Special Teams?

Coaching is a huge problem right now.

 

Yea, the coaching staff could absolutely be responsible for a large part of the player regression.