Voth suggests Shula could be replaced

[csx]

 

 

10 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Matt is a good quarterback, near the tier of Brees good.

Cam is on a whole new level. He's broken more records than most other QBs his first five seasons, and with a competent oline he does wonders, which he hasn't had most his years here.

Cam is better by far than Poo Ryan. He can run, and he makes the good throws when needed.  But if you need all the stats...

Now, you were saying?

 

Newton is not a better QB than Brees. That is absurd 

[Saca312]

2 hours ago, csx said:

 

 

Newton is not a better QB than Brees. That is absurd 

He's not as good of a passer, but the fact he's still real good at passing with his other characteristics of running and making defenses worry,

I'd take Cam over Brees anyday.

[Saca312]

14 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

 

  14 hours ago,  15 said: 

didn't say he's (Matt Ryan) a scrub. but Cam Newton is a better, more successful, more versatile QB. if you can't fug with that than please hand in your fancard. 

 

no he isn't, homerism at its finest, I hate the Falcons but what I'm not going to do is just act like every player on there roster is sorry af compare to ours, give respect where it's due. Both Cam and Matt are top tier qbs, stats back it and there success back it, that's that, if you can't realize that you don't need to talk football with anyone other then panthers fans

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I believe you just stated right there that you effectively didn't believe Newton was a better, more versatile QB than Matt Ryan, which I believe otherwise. 

I believe I did pass elementary reading comprehension. Please though, back up your statements with facts next time, and clarify your meaning of posts, because there's no going around it that you just stated Matt Ryan, who's the most inconsistent pro to dud QB I've ever seen, is better than Cam...

[truthjuice]

14 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Matt is a good quarterback, near the tier of Brees good.

Cam is on a whole new level. He's broken more records than most other QBs his first five seasons, and with a competent oline he does wonders, which he hasn't had most his years here.

Cam is better by far than Poo Ryan. He can run, and he makes the good throws when needed.  But if you need all the stats...

Now, you were saying?

 

Cam doesn't get his credit. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Look at the offensive talent we've had during Cam's career. Now tell me what other QB could've accomplished what he's accomplished with that supporting cast? You give most other QBs the OTs who've been "protecting" Cam and they'd be out of the league at this point t shell shocked like David Carr was down in Houston.

It amazes me that so many Panthers fans don't recognize what we have in Cam Newton. Is he perfect? No. But, he's really damn good and we've fielded offenses that are much more prolific than the sum of the parts would predict. Is he better than this guy or that guy? It's irrelevant and comes down to pure opinion. Who cares?

[emhoward]

Fire Shula. He may deserve it.

But fans forever want to fire their offensive coordinator. Once we replace Shula, we'll want the next one gone too. It's how it goes. 

I've seen someone in this thread call Bevell a decent offensive coordinator. He sure is, to everyone but Seahawks fans lol. 

[Davidson Deac II]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Look at the offensive talent we've had during Cam's career. Now tell me what other QB could've accomplished what he's accomplished with that supporting cast? You give most other QBs the OTs who've been "protecting" Cam and they'd be out of the league at this point t shell shocked like David Carr was down in Houston.

It amazes me that so many Panthers fans don't recognize what we have in Cam Newton. Is he perfect? No. But, he's really damn good and we've fielded offenses that are much more prolific than the sum of the parts would predict. Is he better than this guy or that guy? It's irrelevant and comes down to pure opinion. Who cares?

The lack of talent around him is exaggerated to an extent. He has one of the best tight ends in the business, the best receiver in Panthers history, and a rookie of the year candidate at receiver in 2014, and a very good running back in Stewart.  The oline is a little hit and miss, but Kalil and Turner are very good.  

[Cpt slay a ho]

I believe you just stated right there that you effectively didn't believe Newton was a better, more versatile QB than Matt Ryan, which I believe otherwise. 

I believe I did pass elementary reading comprehension. Please though, back up your statements with facts next time, and clarify your meaning of posts, because there's no going around it that you just stated Matt Ryan, who's the most inconsistent pro to dud QB I've ever seen, is better than Cam...

I've clearly stated its a push when comparing the two qb's, meaning I do not see either better then the other, and if you read back to what cause me to say that, it was due to some poster stating we have one of the most offensively talent rosters in the league, which is false, then he wanted to compare to atl's roster, that's what started this....to save you some time bottom line my point is cam hasn't had the same offensive talent around him like a Brees, or Ryan, or Luck, but remains in the top 5-10 category at his position. He's done that with limited talent around him imagine if he had the talent the listed qbs above have

Ps don't talk about stats and then proceed to call Matt Ryan a inconsistent dud, I wish that was true myself but it's not

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[LinvilleGorge]

57 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

The lack of talent around him is exaggerated to an extent. He has one of the best tight ends in the business, the best receiver in Panthers history, and a rookie of the year candidate at receiver in 2014, and a very good running back in Stewart.  The oline is a little hit and miss, but Kalil and Turner are very good.  

Smitty plays in Baltimore now.

[mcdougal]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Look at the offensive talent we've had during Cam's career. Now tell me what other QB could've accomplished what he's accomplished with that supporting cast? You give most other QBs the OTs who've been "protecting" Cam and they'd be out of the league at this point t shell shocked like David Carr was down in Houston.

It amazes me that so many Panthers fans don't recognize what we have in Cam Newton. Is he perfect? No. But, he's really damn good and we've fielded offenses that are much more prolific than the sum of the parts would predict. Is he better than this guy or that guy? It's irrelevant and comes down to pure opinion. Who cares?

 

Not once but TWICE...TWICE Cam Newton BEGAN the season with a late first round Rookie as his No. 1 WR and then followed that up with beginning the next with Ted Ginn Jr., who couldn't even get on the field in AZ, as his No. 1 WR.

Meanwhile, since Newton has been here we have drafted 1000 DL.

[TheRed]

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

The lack of talent around him is exaggerated to an extent. He has one of the best tight ends in the business, the best receiver in Panthers history, and a rookie of the year candidate at receiver in 2014, and a very good running back in Stewart.  The oline is a little hit and miss, but Kalil and Turner are very good.  

Of course we have talent.

But we need to begin investing in our offense the way we have the defense. This season has shown that clearly. We have two franchise cornerstone studs in Newton, and Kuechly, we cannot afford to have throwaway seasons.

Also, if we are being completely honest with ourselves. Our receivers outside of Olsen need to step it up big time. Way too much inconsistency. 

The OL issues are plain to see, well, those that aren't willing to give Gettleman a free pass can see it at least. Our offseason was a failure, you can't polish that turd. All you can do is learn from it. The 2017 offseason is where we need to go all in with the offense. No excuses. No bullshit. No blaming Hurney. No scapegoating. This is all Gettleman/Rivera.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Bill Voth Smoth  !

[Davidson Deac II]

53 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Smitty plays in Baltimore now.

And the comment was lack of talent in Cam's career.  He had Smith for 3 years.  

[Davidson Deac II]

37 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Of course we have talent.

But we need to begin investing in our offense the way we have the defense. This season has shown that clearly. We have two franchise cornerstone studs in Newton, and Kuechly, we cannot afford to have throwaway seasons.

Also, if we are being completely honest with ourselves. Our receivers outside of Olsen need to step it up big time. Way too much inconsistency. 

The OL issues are plain to see, well, those that aren't willing to give Gettleman a free pass can see it at least. Our offseason was a failure, you can't polish that turd. All you can do is learn from it. The 2017 offseason is where we need to go all in with the offense. No excuses. No bullshit. No blaming Hurney. No scapegoating. This is all Gettleman/Rivera.

Its never all anyone.  The offensive struggles are a combination of things.  Turnovers, dropped passes, bad throws, injuries, etc....

 

Up until this past season, I think that we have invested about evenly in offense and defense.  In 2014 and 2015 we spent a 1st and a 2nd on wide receivers.  In 2015, 3 of our 5 picks were on offense, 2014 3 out 6.  This years draft went defense heavy, but given that virtually our entire starting secondary from last year was gone, we probably had to.  

 

I blame Gettleman to large extent for the issues in the secondary, and not just because of Norman.  We should not have going into the season so dependent on rookies.  Regarding the offense, I can't really blame him to much for focusing on defensive side of the ball.  We had the #1 offense in the league last year, and in theory, replacing Cotchery with Benjamin should have improved it.  Most of the mistakes that have cost us have been mental, not lack of talent or play calling. There have also been some injury issues, biggest issue being at center.  Aside from the injuries though, well maybe the issues can be blamed to an extent on coaching, and I do think that sometimes the team comes in unfocused.