Voth suggests Shula could be replaced

[Cpt slay a ho]

Who wrote the contracts that were eating huge amounts of salary cap again?

What is this? Deflect time, I'm referring to the Hardy and smith situation, have a former dt and bell start at tackle and Cason in the secondary, along with signing Jericho and avant, Thomas decoud at safety.....should I continue ?

The cap didn't play a role in ALL of the signings made that year

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[CRA]

45 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You have to spin it to make that work (which is what I expected you'd do because you like to stir drama, but hey...)

Again, objectively, we had better overall records, three division titles vs one title and a wild card, records of 11-5, 7-9 and 11-5 vs records of 12-4, 7-8-1, and 15-easily the best season this team has ever seen and the fact that we got progressively better rather than peaking early.

I get that you like being a contrarian, but the idea that you can elevate 03-05 is pretty silly.

It isn't spin.  We went to 2 NFC Championships games and then and when the dust settled in the Super Bowl our team got ended with more respect coming out of that game than the 2015 squad. 

You said it wasn't debatable. It is.  I don't care to debate it though. 

I don't give that 2014 year much of a bump simply because our division stunk and the 2003 and 2005 postseasons to me carry more weight then the regular season records of 13 and 15.  But that's me

[CRA]

33 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Who wrote the contracts that were eating huge amounts of salary cap again?

Same dude who drafted the superstars that lead the teams Dave won with 

Hurney has legit contract flaws.  Wasn't nearly as bad as now painted overall 

[Toker Smurf]

Well they will definitely need scapegoats...Rivera will have to throw someone into the fire 

Voth also reported that Shula lobbied that teams would catch up to what they did last year and wanted the organization to provide talent for him to switch things up this year (he lobbied for the 2nd rec TE tonbe added so he can run legit 2 TE sets but our FO made no moves to improve either side of our team for 2016

instead we added a DT and tore our secondary apart 

offense isn't broken...our OL is broke.  Better OCs than Shula can't actually fix what we are forced to use of late 

Maybe that's why they have been so active, looking at TEs.

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[Cpt slay a ho]

In yet we still finished with the number one offensive ranking and the league MVP at QB last year.

The best offense in the league right now is Atlanta and without doing a side by side comparison, the only glaring advantage their roster has is Julio. 

Again you keep bringing up last year like that has some indication on our success going forward. Atl has us beat in every position besides TE, and guard. Qb is a push


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[TheRed]

Doesn't seem all that long ago that this place was littered with "cap guru", and "I got dis" memes in reference to Hurney.

The huddle has always had a worship thing with general managers. That, and a selective memory. 

[Mr. Scot]

27 minutes ago, CRA said:

Same dude who drafted the superstars that lead the teams Dave won with 

Hurney has legit contract flaws.  Wasn't nearly as bad as now painted overall 

Who acquired most of the team leaders that were the driving forces in the 03-05 years? 

Quick Hint: It wasn't Hurney.

32 minutes ago, CRA said:

It isn't spin.  We went to 2 NFC Championships games and then and when the dust settled in the Super Bowl our team got ended with more respect coming out of that game than the 2015 squad. 

You said it wasn't debatable. It is.  I don't care to debate it though. 

I don't give that 2014 year much of a bump simply because our division stunk and the 2003 and 2005 postseasons to me carry more weight then the regular season records of 13 and 15.  But that's me

Yeah, it's spin, because I gave you hard numbers and you gave me "this is how I feel". And it's you playing contrarian like usual.

I'm used to it.

[uncfan888]

1 minute ago, 15 said:

lol yeah because you mentioned our o line and WR's as a weakness LAST YEAR. 

Cam > Ryan

Stewart > Freeman

Julio > Kelvin

Sanu = Ginn

Funchess = Justin Hardy

Dimarco > Tolbert

Olsen > Tamme

Oher (when healthy) > Matthews

Williams/Remmers < Schraeder

Nowell > Levitre

Kalil > Mack

Turner > Chester

 

That's 7-3-2 Panthers. I'm really not understanding where you are trying to go with this. Our issue is obviously not a lack of talent, it's a lack of coaching.

Are you Shula's son?

 

And CPK is hurney's

[Cpt slay a ho]

lol yeah because you mentioned our o line and WR's as a weakness LAST YEAR. 

Cam > Ryan

Stewart > Freeman

Julio > Kelvin

Sanu = Ginn

Funchess = Justin Hardy

Dimarco > Tolbert

Olsen > Tamme

Oher (when healthy) > Matthews

Williams/Remmers

Nowell > Levitre

Kalil > Mack

Turner > Chester

 

That's 7-3-2 Panthers. I'm really not understanding where you are trying to go with this. Our issue is obviously not a lack of talent, it's a lack of coaching.

Are you Shula's son?

 

The blind homerism is strong, Cam isn't better then Ryan and Ryan isn't better then cam, it's a push, atl have Coleman and Freeman which is better then fozzy and Stewart, Mack is regard as one of the top centers in the leave along with kalil it's a push, ginn is not better then sanu....stop, oher is not better then Matthews. When you stop praising what majority of the league considers #4 and #5 wr as "talent" we will get somewhere

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[uncfan888]

Yeah, I disagree with the D being the issue.  The offense not being able to sustain drives in the second half is putting too much pressure on the defense.  You leave them out on the field the entire half and of course they're going to end up giving up points 

[Cpt slay a ho]

how many MVP's does Ryan have? SuperBowl appearances? okay okay sounds good

I was talking about starters. Jonathan Stewart > Freeman.

Mack is a great center, but Kalil is better. 

Sanu is one of the most overrated receivers in the league and received a very similar unwarranted contrat from Atlanta much like Ginn did from Arizona. numbers don't lie, Ginn is better.

Oher is definitely better than Matthews. I know several Falcon's fans that think he is extremely average and Schraeder is by far a better tackle.

 

It isn't homerism. I'm backing the guys on my team and they have the stats to prove it. 

Sooooooo one season should discredits Ryan line of work ? This blindness has me defending Ryan.....you legit try arguing that with even the most rational football fan and you might get laughed at.

Given the sample size you can't consider Stewart better then freeman. And it is homerism no stat backs Newton having the edge on Ryan, nor Stewart over freeman, nor oher over Matthews. Kalil gets the slight edge over Mack due to probowl
Nods.

This notion that having below average ot play is the key to a top 10 offense is crazy.




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[ladypanther]

lol @ 230 replies so far.  Wonder where this will end up.  anyone have a cliff notes summary for me?  Anything other than Shula sucks?

[Raskle]

But, but, the D is giving up more statzes and pointz!!!

 

I'm wondering if these guys stopped to think that maybe our giving up more points and yards in the second half is attributable to the offense not getting any, going three and out over and over again, and thereby making the defense a bit more tired, and prone to more mistakes? I mean, there can't be a direct correlation between the two, can there?

 

And who is to blame for not adjusting between the first and second halves, ensuring we can still run the ball, achieve first downs, and possibly score more than the occasional fuging field goal again??? Oh.. waiiiiit......

[uncfan888]

2 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

lol @ 230 replies so far.  Wonder where this will end up.  anyone have a cliff notes summary for me?  Anything other than Shula sucks?

Shula sucks and Gettleman is the antichrist