Our offense lacks a big play threat sorely, it's a huge weakness

[rippadonn]

6 hours ago, nctarheel0619 said:

I have a solution to your problem:

 

His QB is slinging it! That guy has a arm, much like Cam.

Smitty was a player who specialized in breaking tackles and running and having another gear. DeAngelo was a home run threat every time he touched the ball. Guys like this guy and them are what we're missing. KB and Funch are great possession receivers. Ginn avoids contact.

[GRWatcher]

7 hours ago, outlaw4 said:

Big plays require enough time in the pocket, something that has sorely been lacking this year. We'd need more plays that maximize YAC but our personnel isn't tailored to that.

 

5 hours ago, Hammerin'Cameron1 said:

Yeah somebody that can get some yards after catch is sorely missing in Carolina

I believe that our WR's could very well get YAC. They're not given the chance to when Cam is having trouble throwing to them so that they are quite often lucky to just catch the ball. And the problem is two fold. Our WR's are having trouble getting good separation & Cam isn't always throwing to them so they can get YAC. That's what "throwing to get them open" means. KB can get no YAC when he's jumping in a crowd to catch the ball.  Brown & Ginn can't get any YAC when they're tiptoeing the sideline to make the catch. Both turn on the burners after the catch when they have room to run. Neither Funchess nor Olsen can get YAC when they have to reach behind them to catch the ball. Sometimes Cam just throws a bad ball, other times he doesn't have time to even square his shoulders & his footwork suffers. Sometimes a well thrown ball is dropped, sometimes the opposing team is playing football too.

Asking for another body with skills won't solve the problems leading to more YAC. The skills are, for the most part, on the team. It's the execution that is lacking this year.

[JawnyBlaze]

5 minutes ago, GRWatcher said:

Asking for another body with skills won't solve the problems leading to more YAC. The skills are, for the most part, on the team. It's the execution that is lacking this year.

That's not execution, that's dumbass play calling and design.  Most of the routes we run are either to KB in the middle of the field where he's gonna get hit as soon as he catches it, Olsen on seam routes (which often lead to YAC) or an out route to Ginn where he's going to have to tip toe the line.  

[outlaw4]

7 minutes ago, GRWatcher said:

 

I believe that our WR's could very well get YAC. They're not given the chance to when Cam is having trouble throwing to them so that they are quite often lucky to just catch the ball. And the problem is two fold. Our WR's are having trouble getting good separation & Cam isn't always throwing to them so they can get YAC. That's what "throwing to get them open" means. KB can get no YAC when he's jumping in a crowd to catch the ball.  Brown & Ginn can't get any YAC when they're tiptoeing the sideline to make the catch. Both turn on the burners after the catch when they have room to run. Neither Funchess nor Olsen can get YAC when they have to reach behind them to catch the ball. Sometimes Cam just throws a bad ball, other times he doesn't have time to even square his shoulders & his footwork suffers. Sometimes a well thrown ball is dropped, sometimes the opposing team is playing football too.

Asking for another body with skills won't solve the problems leading to more YAC. The skills are, for the most part, on the team. It's the execution that is lacking this year.

It would be remiss to leave out how our running game has degraded. YAC becomes less of a worry if you can get into 2nd and 6th or third and short rather than having 3rd and 9.

What does irk me is how someone like Fozzy isn't more involved in the passing game. Even small dump offs for 3-4 yards can substitute for a run.

[GRWatcher]

10 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

That's not execution, that's dumbass play calling and design.  Most of the routes we run are either to KB in the middle of the field where he's gonna get hit as soon as he catches it, Olsen on seam routes (which often lead to YAC) or an out route to Ginn where he's going to have to tip toe the line.  

You missed the point of what I said. DUCK! Brown can tiptoe the line for YAC when the ball is thrown so he can keep running instead of having to go out of bounds to catch it. Olsen can get YAC when the ball is thrown over his shoulder or in front of him instead of his having to reach behind him or fall to the ground to catch it. KB can get YAC when he gets separation & Cam is throwing to get him open instead of 2 feet above everyone's head. That's good execution. I've seen it, even this year. Amazing but true.

I was replying to those saying we don't have the talent or skills to get YAC. That's not the case. 

[JawnyBlaze]

1 minute ago, GRWatcher said:

You missed the point of what I said. DUCK! Brown can tiptoe the line for YAC when the ball is thrown so he can keep running instead of having to go out of bounds to catch it. Olsen can get YAC when the ball is thrown over his shoulder or in front of him instead of his having to reach behind him or fall to the ground to catch it. KB can get YAC when he gets separation & Cam is throwing to get him open instead of 2 feet above everyone's head. That's good execution. I've seen it, even this year. Amazing but true.

I was replying to those saying we don't have the talent or skills to get YAC. That's not the case. 

Oh I got your point, I just didn't agree that it's execution. It's play calling. Plays are not being called very often that allow for YAC.  Cam's not making these wild throws you're claiming he is very often.  KB almost never gets separation, Cam throws high because that's where only KB can catch it. It usually works.  Sometimes Cam throws behind the receiver on the crossing routes, but not often. And those dig and out routes Cam is money, very rarely puts anywhere except right where it needs to be.  The problem is those out routes by design restrict YAC opportunities.  I'll never understand why 90% of Ginns catches this year have been tip toe out routes.  Those should be Funchess and KB's passes while the crossing and slant routes should be Ginn and Brown. 

[csx]

6 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

That's not execution, that's dumbass play calling and design.  Most of the routes we run are either to KB in the middle of the field where he's gonna get hit as soon as he catches it, Olsen on seam routes (which often lead to YAC) or an out route to Ginn where he's going to have to tip toe the line.  

That's playing to our player strength. Big guys in traffic and fast guy on the outside. What is your critique of that? 

[JawnyBlaze]

5 hours ago, csx said:

That's playing to our player strength. Big guys in traffic and fast guy on the outside. What is your critique of that? 

It's playing more to their strengths to have big guys on the outside who can reach out further for sideline catches and fast guys in space so they can do something after the catch. 

Edit: and fast guys can line up outside and run posts and drags and 15 in routes and have the same effect. I'm not talking where they line up. I'm talking about their routes. 

[Mr. Scot]

On 11/21/2016 at 10:22 AM, SetfreexX said:

We don't lack a deep threat, we lack an offensive line (mainly due to injury) to provide time for strikes, we lack a running game that forces an 8th man into the box regularly to give our receivers one on one opportunities. A lot of our issues stem from the trenches, it all starts there.

Bingo.

[76west]

23 hours ago, CRA said:

Philly Brown has solid hands.  Corey on the other hand...

Not sure how often we see Corey.. but it is clear that Philly is not being used nearly enough this year. Not sure what he did.. He played very well for us last year....people tried to clown both him and Ginn last year but what a difference a year makes without uses both as much.

[Cpt slay a ho]

We can't run the ball so we end up in 3rd and long situations, do we have the personnel at wr for someone to get open quick when teams send a all out blitz on 3rd and 9? No we don't, it's really that simple, you can't go into a football season thinking just because it worked last year it will this year, and that seems to be the approach we took personnel wise which is costing us.


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[FootballLivesMatter]

BERSIN!!!! 

Answer already on the roster

[csx]

15 hours ago, 76west said:

Not sure how often we see Corey.. but it is clear that Philly is not being used nearly enough this year. Not sure what he did.. He played very well for us last year....people tried to clown both him and Ginn last year but what a difference a year makes without uses both as much.

We have KB back and we aren't sustaining drives as long as last year and haven't been keeping the other team off the field. It's a matter of numbers. Even with all that his receptions are only down by .2 per game.

[pantherj]

This really falls right into Gettleman's lap. If you want to run play action pass and take deep vertical strikes down the field, then you need an o-line that can hold pass blocks a bit longer than you're typical line. Gettleman failed to acquire linemen who could do that, so we're not getting enough deep strikes.

We're also not powerful enough up front to scare teams into selling out to stop the run which would open up our pass attack. That is Gettleman's fault. He could have replaced Remmers with a much better run blocker with more power via the draft. 100% could have done that. He stuck with a guy who is terrible, and now we're suffering. Watching Remmers run block feels like watching an old man push an elephant. He's totally powerless for a man his size.

Our defense is really only effective when it confuses the opposing QB with pre and post snap movement. Shifting around and showing the QB one formation, and then he is about to take the snap, shift to a different formation, and execute that defense with perfect precision so that the coverage is very tight. Gettleman decided to bring in young guys knowing that there was no chance in hell that we could execute our defense at an effective level. Confusion, oversimplification, soft error filled coverage, this was Gettleman's fault. Vets would have given us much better defense, and we could have afforded them.

Even with Gettleman's mistakes in the offseason, we still should be better that we're looking. Another part of the problem is that opposing defenses have improved at dealing with Cam. They've decided to blitz him a lot more than ever before and force him to make quick decisions. Cam is not a quick thinker. He's just not, so he's not seeing the open man in that split second before it's too late. 

Add in our coaches are making mind boggling decisions and play calls, and you have the 2016 mess of a season. What a tumble from last season.