Our offense lacks a big play threat sorely, it's a huge weakness

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, PantherBuckeye89 said:

Its OT play and play calling........we are more than kind of pissing away the potential of Devin Funchess

It ain't just OT play anymore.  It is the entire OL. Once you take Kalil out the entire OL becomes suspect. 

[beastson]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This.  Our OL is playing like trash right now. We knew our OTs were a weakness going into the season and without Oher that weakness is greatly magnified, then add in the fact that Kalil has been battling an injury and it's just about the perfect storm on the OL.

IMO, we need a YAC WR more than we need a true deep threat.  Ginn may not be an All-Pro, but he IS a legit deep threat. What we lack is a shifty guy who can turn those short and intermediate routes into big gainers after the catch.  On paper, Ginn and Brown should be that, but that hasn't really come to fruition on the field.

Give me Ryan Switzer in the late rounds please.  He's that guy plus an upgrade over Ginn as a return man.  I know Ginn used to be an elite return guy, but I don't know what happened.  He's awful now and routinely costs us field positions with dumb fielding decisions either letting punts go that he should be catching or fair catching punts he should be letting go.

We have him, he's in my avi

[Zaximus]

Play calling is just bad though.  We're still doing swing passes to Tolbert and trying smoke screens.   Those haven't really worked since Smith was here in his prime lol.   We don't run any RB screens to try to slow down the pass rush.   We don't run enough slants.  KB is almost unstoppable in the slant.  Would open up things a bit more down field.   Yes our O-line is bad but Shula isn't doing anything to adapt to that.   

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

Play calling is just bad though.  We're still doing swing passes to Tolbert and trying smoke screens.   Those haven't really worked since Smith was here in his prime lol.   We don't run any RB screens to try to slow down the pass rush.   We don't run enough slants.  KB is almost unstoppable in the slant.  Would open up things a bit more down field.   Yes our O-line is bad but Shula isn't doing anything to adapt to that.   

RB screens have never flowed smoothly with this cast.  Never.

Shula has been adapting to a weakish OL for an long time now.  Biggest issue is people failed to realize how much Shula had been scheming around them before they even got hurt.  

[juliosantos]

agree but we never get ginn involved this season compared to last

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, beastson said:

We have him, he's in my avi

No.

[pantherclaw]

Greg Olsen

KB

Ted Ginn

Cam Newton

We don't lack play makers. thanks for that weak sauce. 

[ncfan]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

It ain't just OT play anymore.  It is the entire OL. Once you take Kalil out the entire OL becomes suspect. 

I beg to differ on that last sentence.  Norwell and Turner have been doing damn good for what theyre working with.

This is 100% on coaching.  Teams watched the superbowl  they know Remmers now.  Teams realize all they have to do is stack the box to shut down the run and put Quick edge rushers on the outside to toast Remmers who is now our LT.

Oher player at almost a probowl level last year.  Also it was noted last year Cam was getting the ball out quicker than ever.  That had to keep blitzers and LBs honest. Also took deep shots.  How often have we bombed the ball down to Ginn this year?  not near as much as normal.  In addition we did a better job spreading the ball on other guys keeping it harder on the safeties.  

These things kept it hard for teams to stack the box, helping the run game get moving (which is a nightmare for defenses setting up the passing game).  Weakness at LT and zero adjustments on playcalling just stacks up the box and would even make dallas's OL start to crumble.

Shula and Remmers have been the issue

[CRA]

1 minute ago, ncfan said:

I beg to differ on that last sentence.  Norwell and Turner have been doing damn good for what theyre working with.

This is 100% on coaching.  Teams watched the superbowl  they know Remmers now.  Teams realize all they have to do is stack the box to shut down the run and put Quick edge rushers on the outside to toast Remmers who is now our LT.

Oher player at almost a probowl level last year.  Also it was noted last year Cam was getting the ball out quicker than ever.  That had to keep blitzers and LBs honest. Also took deep shots.  How often have we bombed the ball down to Ginn this year?  not near as much as normal.  In addition we did a better job spreading the ball on other guys keeping it harder on the safeties.  

These things kept it hard for teams to stack the box, helping the run game get moving (which is a nightmare for defenses setting up the passing game).  Weakness at LT and zero adjustments on playcalling just stacks up the box and would even make dallas's OL start to crumble.

Shula and Remmers have been the issue

we have inserted the 2nd and 3rd string C.....Norwell and Turner aren't doing damn well with weak players on both sides of them.   They shouldn't be expected too.  But removing Kalil and having such weak players at LT, C, and RT does make the whole OL suspect at that point.  Turner might can adjust to having one guy stink but not one on both sides.

we max protected more than any team in the entire NFL last season.....because Oher and Remmers were our OTs.   You don't max protect more than any team in the NFL just because Remmers is your RT.

Bombing to Ted Ginn takes time.  There is no time.

 

 

agree to disagree, too many gloss over the comical rate we had to max protect last season.  We lucked out teams allowed it all last season.  There is no adjusting once teams counter it except to get talent so that you don't need to max protect for your basic pass plays.

[uncfan888]

With a perennial pro bowl center out, our line has looked worse. Who knew 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Ted Ginn is not a play maker stop it.......we need another wr, KB is a beast but he's not scaring anyone unless we are near the redzone, funchess decent but still can't get separation consistently and our other wr are ok. For the millionth time either upgrade the line or get a dominant wr


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[CRA]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Ted Ginn is not a play maker stop it.......we need another wr, KB is a beast but he's not scaring anyone unless we are near the redzone, funchess decent but still can't get separation consistently and our other wr are ok. For the millionth time either upgrade the line or get a dominant wr


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to most teams Ted Ginn is WR #4...to us he is big play Ginn.

Kelvin at this point is more physical mismatch than playmaker. 

 

but it is funny how some talk about Luck and that Indy failed to build around him..when they still are out pacing Carolina.

[FuFuLamePoo]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

to most teams Ted Ginn is WR #4...to us he is big play Ginn.

Kelvin at this point is more physical mismatch than playmaker. 

 

but it is funny how some talk about Luck and that Indy failed to build around him..when they still are out pacing Carolina.

our offense would be x10 better with a receiver half as good as TY Hilton

[CRA]

1 minute ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

our offense would be x10 better with a receiver half as good as TY Hilton

Moncrief might be better overall.