Our offense lacks a big play threat sorely, it's a huge weakness

[CRA]

1 hour ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

 

Watching the Redskins last night, their offense had a knack for creating big plays. With guys like Crowder, Jackson and Garçon they have a slew of guys that can stretch the field vertically. We don't have anyone that can get behind the defense on a regular basis. Cam has a cannon, but he doesn't even get to use it much because no one is a true threat vertically. I think Ginn was supposed to be that guy, but he's clearly lost a step and has shaky hands anyways. He did have that 38 yard TD Sunday, but I honestly bet that's been one of our 2 or 3 longest TD's this year. Redskins had TDs of 44 and 70 yards last night.

Agree?

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Did you not see Mike Tolbert on that swing pass last week? 

 

[AceBoogie]

[raleigh-panther]

We do not have a running game that scares anyone anymore. The ship has sailed on Jonathan Stewart, the speed and shiftiness are just not there, no play action passes. The Panthers can't handle the blitz. Poor offensive line. Poor offensive design.  Newton is a one man show 

add to that a head coach who does not accept what he sees and a GM who thinks the answer is on the roster and who values defense over offense and here we are

[LinvilleGorge]

You can't really make any judgements based on that Packers/Redskins game. That Packers defense is a dumpster fire right now. They've had a ton of injuries at CB and LB. Garçon was beating them deep all night long and he's not typically a big play threat guy. I think the combo of a beat up D and the Packers' coaching staff underestimating Cousins' ability to continue to throw the ball deep into the wind led to them getting lit up like a Christmas tree.

[ShutDwn]

OL can't run the ball, can't protect the QB.

but it's all shula's fault.

[FuFuLamePoo]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You can't really make any judgements based on that Packers/Redskins game. That Packers defense is a dumpster fire right now. They've had a ton of injuries at CB and LB. Garçon was beating them deep all night long and he's not typically a big play threat guy. I think the combo of a beat up D and the Packers' coaching staff underestimating Cousins' ability to continue to throw the ball deep into the wind led to them getting lit up like a Christmas tree.

People keep saying this, but it's not like the Redskins offense just started playing well because they were playing against the Packers.  They've had a top 5 offense in the NFL all year long and the stats back it up.  They've built an offense that allows Kirk Cousins to just light teams up, despite having a lackluster running game.  It's infuriating we can't do the same.  I respect Cousins and I'll admit he's having a pro bowl year and been better than I ever dreamed he would, but there's not a chance in hell I think he's more talented than Cam Newton.  I just don't get why Kirk is lighting teams up on a weekly basis right now while Cam continues to be held back by poor coaching.  Cousins bomb to Garcon was a thing of beauty last night, I haven't seen us do that all year.  I know the OL isn't good and things start there, but you still can't tell me there's an actual deep threat on this team besides throwing jump balls to KB

[mc52beast]

It wouldn't make any difference if we had " deep threat" receivers, Cam doesn't get enough time for the routes to progress...

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Udogg said:

We do have a speed guy that can get behind defenses.  Used him a lot last year. Named Ginn Jr.  Still fast, still makes defenses respect him.  However our line is far worse than last year over all.  Couple that with this year we are focused on the big possession receiver. Good receiver but can be taken out of play on any route that's not a slant.   When ever we heavily feature Greg Olsen(who is always a mismatch problem), good things happen all around. Keeping Olsen in to block on anything that't not a run play is a god damn travesty. That is one of the few things I put solely on Shula. All that other stuff is a combination of bad line play, and Cam mistakes in my opinion.    Love me some KB, but Greg Olsen should be the focal point of our offense like Gronkowski is in New England. 

People don't actually respect Ginn though....he is a bad WR and treat him as such.   We some times make teams pay for how much they disregard him. 

In the last 2 years probably 25% of his TDs have come when Shula gets a LB on him.  

[Sasquatch]

1 hour ago, pstall said:

The bad part of line play and play calling is if you know your line is suspect, then why call plays that take a long time to develop?

Hurry up offense or get the ball out of Cams hands faster or screens etc.

But all of this is dead horse beatings. 

You have to go deep every now and then just to show you're willing to. You give the other guy a huge advantage if he knows you're never going to attack any part of the field.

[JawnyBlaze]

1 hour ago, SetfreexX said:

We don't lack a deep threat, we lack an offensive line (mainly due to injury) to provide time for strikes, we lack a running game that forces an 8th man into the box regularly to give our receivers one on one opportunities. A lot of our issues stem from the trenches, it all starts there.

This is it, imo. Philly can stretch the field and has solid hands, Ginn can still haul in half his passes on the deep ball. The problem is we can't get enough time more often than not to make the deep passes work.  Now I WOULD love a young speedster with decent hands.  Someone like Fuller on the Texans. 

[CRA]

1 minute ago, JawnyBlaze said:

This is it, imo. Philly can stretch the field and has solid hands, Ginn can still haul in half his passes on the deep ball. The problem is we can't get enough time more often than not to make the deep passes work.  Now I WOULD love a young speedster with decent hands.  Someone like Fuller on the Texans. 

Philly Brown has solid hands.  Corey on the other hand...

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

It wouldn't make any difference if we had " deep threat" receivers, Cam doesn't get enough time for the routes to progress...

This.  Our OL is playing like trash right now. We knew our OTs were a weakness going into the season and without Oher that weakness is greatly magnified, then add in the fact that Kalil has been battling an injury and it's just about the perfect storm on the OL.

IMO, we need a YAC WR more than we need a true deep threat.  Ginn may not be an All-Pro, but he IS a legit deep threat. What we lack is a shifty guy who can turn those short and intermediate routes into big gainers after the catch.  On paper, Ginn and Brown should be that, but that hasn't really come to fruition on the field.

Give me Ryan Switzer in the late rounds please.  He's that guy plus an upgrade over Ginn as a return man.  I know Ginn used to be an elite return guy, but I don't know what happened.  He's awful now and routinely costs us field positions with dumb fielding decisions either letting punts go that he should be catching or fair catching punts he should be letting go.

[PantherBuckeye89]

Its OT play and play calling........we are more than kind of pissing away the potential of Devin Funchess

[beastson]

As I mentioned against the Chiefs I believe, there's no excuse that our big receivers aren't getting more deep balls. KB is taking a safety with him on a go route, that leaves the other safety vs Ginn and Funchess. One of them should be pulling another safety for help or else it will be one on one on the other go route. Olsen takes a LB, that leaves Ginn or Funchess in the slot, add Philly for a 4 WR set and our offense should be rolling man. The biggest problem is oline protection. To throw deep, you have to wait for receivers to go downfield