Colin Cowherd: Cam lacks work ethic to become a superstar

[carolinajay]

5 minutes ago, Jd dirtybird21 said:

Look at guys like Eli and Flacco. Both of those guys have been actually pretty bad in big chunks of their careers but they tend to avoid criticism. 

i agree with that.

[Jd dirtybird21]

Just now, carolinajay said:

I did use your post and I pointed out that all QB make bad decisions even the great Matt Ryan. I don't like the way Matt Ryan folds like a soft shelled taco in the playoffs (Green Bay, New York Giants, SF) He had home field advantage throughout the playoffs two of those years.

He? You mean his team. The Falcons have never had a defense like the one Carolina has had over the course of 2013-2015. Ryan isn't elite and he hasn't been his entire career. Only this season is he sniffing it but he's still not there. To win a championship in the NFL, you need a good QB, (not great, just good), a defense, and a head coach. I'd say the playoff failures for the Falcons were a bigger testament to Mike Smith, not Ryan. Sure, Ryan made mistakes, but he's just one player out of 21 other starters

[The Lobo]

2 minutes ago, Jd dirtybird21 said:

Good post. I don't have an issue with Cam being himself at all. He's a great competitor and it clearly shows when he's winning AND losing. 

But, take press conferences for example. Cam should take some ownership as the highest paid player, franchise QB, and leader. He should man up and face the media. I would be very impressed if Cam actually faced the media that made him out to be the villian and owned everything regardless of it's his fault or not. That's what I personally like from my franchise player. I think his "loser" comments after the super bowl loss last year is a good example. That was the wrong thing to say. Is he wrong? Technically no. But that was a childish comment. 

The loser comment was a direct quote from Vince Lombardi and I feel it is applicable for Cam. That's the greatest coach of all time, was he wrong for saying that? He's a bad loser and I respect that. Another point people don't bring up; why should Cam give the media anything. Ever since Florida  they have done nothing but drag his name through the mud. At Aubrun, they basically tore him and his father down. Completely destroyed them for months (some still do) and the NCAA cleared Cam of everything. I don't know about you, but I don't hold a grudge.

That being said, I love my father and if someone destroyed his name and myself, I would forgive them but I certainly wouldn't make friends with them. I'd speak to them if I have to, but that's it. So, to tie this together, cam is doing what I mentioned. Just saying what he needs to and that's it. Why should he give them anything more after all they do is trash him. I wouldn't and I'm sure you wouldn't either. I know media stuff is part of his job and he does that. Who is to say he owes them anything more than that. If he wants to do his media portion to the bare minimum and fulfills his contractracted duties, who cares? He doesn't owe them anything. As long as his team respects him and follows him (which they do) then who cares. Panther fans adore him and that's all he should care about. Keep dancing, this is entertainment not a presidential election. 

 

P.S I know you are feeling ganged up on you seem like a nice person (even though you are a falcon fan) stick around. Always nice to discuss with opposing fans.

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, Jd dirtybird21 said:

You're right. Winning is the ultimate cure. Maybe I've been too tough on Newton before I opened this thread and starting talking with you guys. 

2015 MVP Cam was pretty comparable to 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2016 Cam.

biggest different? 2015 team around Cam allowed him to feast.  They set him up and allowed him opportunities.  That is about it.  Give him a D that sets up an offense and a OL....and he would be a video game player this year.  Same dude. Obviously his game has altered some from year to year but nothing extreme.  

[carolinajay]

4 minutes ago, Jd dirtybird21 said:

He? You mean his team. The Falcons have never had a defense like the one Carolina has had over the course of 2013-2015. Ryan isn't elite and he hasn't been his entire career. Only this season is he sniffing it but he's still not there. To win a championship in the NFL, you need a good QB, (not great, just good), a defense, and a head coach. I'd say the playoff failures for the Falcons were a bigger testament to Mike Smith, not Ryan. Sure, Ryan made mistakes, but he's just one player out of 21 other starters

When the Falcons traded for Julio that to me was saying that Offense was the Falcons key to win a SB. The offense before Julio was solid. 

The falcons were good enough to win the NFC Championship in 2012 but Ryan's mistakes did the team in.

[Jd dirtybird21]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

2015 MVP Cam was pretty comparable to 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2016 Cam.

biggest different? 2015 team around Cam allowed him to feast.  They set him up and allowed him opportunities.  That is about it.  Give him a D that sets up an offense and a OL....and he would be a video game player this year.  Same dude. Obviously his game has altered some from year to year but nothing extreme.  

Yea, Cam is taking criticism from guys like Cowherd this year even though to your point, he's still the same player that won MVP from last year. It kind of proves my point in an earlier post that QB's should never really be judged on win-loss records because they ultimately are as good as their team will allow them to be. They are 1 starter out of 22. I think Rivera deserves the most blame for this season, not your quarerback. 

[The Lobo]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

2015 MVP Cam was pretty comparable to 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2016 Cam.

biggest different? 2015 team around Cam allowed him to feast.  They set him up and allowed him opportunities.  That is about it.  Give him a D that sets up an offense and a OL....and he would be a video game player this year.  Same dude. Obviously his game has altered some from year to year but nothing extreme.  

Well said.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Jd dirtybird21 said:

Yea, Cam is taking criticism from guys like Cowherd this year even though to your point, he's still the same player that won MVP from last year. It kind of proves my point in an earlier post that QB's should never really be judged on win-loss records because they ultimately are as good as their team will allow them to be. They are 1 starter out of 22. I think Rivera deserves the most blame for this season, not your quarerback. 

I blame the front office.  Rivera is part of that team but I'm not a fan of blaming a coach for not being able to work miracles from day 1 with legit talent holes.  

 

[Jd dirtybird21]

5 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

The loser comment was a direct quote from Vince Lombardi and I feel it is applicable for Cam. That's the greatest coach of all time, was he wrong for saying that? He's a bad loser and I respect that. Another point people don't bring up; why should Cam give the media anything. Ever since Florida  they have done nothing but drag his name through the mud. At Aubrun, they basically tore him and his father down. Completely destroyed them for months (some still do) and the NCAA cleared Cam of everything. I don't know about you, but I don't hold a grudge.

That being said, I love my father and if someone destroyed his name and myself, I would forgive them but I certainly wouldn't make friends with them. I'd speak to them if I have to, but that's it. So, to tie this together, cam is doing what I mentioned. Just saying what he needs to and that's it. Why should he give them anything more after all they do is trash him. I wouldn't and I'm sure you wouldn't either. I know media stuff is part of his job and he does that. Who is to say he owes them anything more than that. If he wants to do his media portion to the bare minimum and fulfills his contractracted duties, who cares? He doesn't owe them anything. As long as his team respects him and follows him (which they do) then who cares. Panther fans adore him and that's all he should care about. Keep dancing, this is entertainment not a presidential election. 

 

P.S I know you are feeling ganged up on you seem like a nice person (even though you are a falcon fan) stick around. Always nice to discuss with opposing fans.

Ah yes, but "owing" the media and "facing" the media are 2 different things. Cam can still very well be the "villian" of the NFL. But he makes it worse for himself and possibly his team with his current approach. If Cam "acted" like your typical QB in the media, they would lose interest and there would be less of a distraction. Like you said, Cam doesn't owe the media anything, so why should he give them EXACTLY what they want which is for him to act all pissy and avoid questions. They LOVE that. 

And thanks,  I want to stick around but I know that I have to earn respect first with the team I chear for lol. 

[Jd dirtybird21]

5 minutes ago, carolinajay said:

When the Falcons traded for Julio that to me was saying that Offense was the Falcons key to win a SB. The offense before Julio was solid. 

The falcons were good enough to win the NFC Championship in 2012 but Ryan's mistakes did the team in.

They were good enough. But Ryan still threw for 3 touchdowns and led the offense to a 24-7 halftime lead. The defense in both the NFCCG and the game before that against Seattle surrendered 17 point leads. Don't forget that the 49ers and Seahawks that year had the leagues #1 and #2 defenses and Ryan and that offense lit both of them up. Defense just wasn't good. They let a rookie Russell Wilson look like a star and Colin Kaepernick look like a star.

[truthjuice]

31 minutes ago, Jd dirtybird21 said:

Good post. I don't have an issue with Cam being himself at all. He's a great competitor and it clearly shows when he's winning AND losing. 

But, take press conferences for example. Cam should take some ownership as the highest paid player, franchise QB, and leader. He should man up and face the media. I would be very impressed if Cam actually faced the media that made him out to be the villian and owned everything regardless of it's his fault or not. That's what I personally like from my franchise player. I think his "loser" comments after the super bowl loss last year is a good example. That was the wrong thing to say. Is he wrong? Technically no. But that was a childish comment. 

When does he not take ownership? The press conference thing is a non-factor. He always takes the loss as his own loss. Cam has faced the media more times than he hasn't. He hates to lose so you'll never catch him excited to speak about a loss. Not to mention the relationship he has with the media. He's always in a lose-lose situation with that. "Man up" is a low blow to me. But if this is all people can use against him, so be it. Cam will give everything he has to win so I expect him to not be able to lose. He will never handle it like Drew, Russell, Tom, etc. Cameron is Cameron. He will always take a loss personal. 

[carolinajay]

5 minutes ago, Jd dirtybird21 said:

They were good enough. But Ryan still threw for 3 touchdowns and led the offense to a 24-7 halftime lead. The defense in both the NFCCG and the game before that against Seattle surrendered 17 point leads. Don't forget that the 49ers and Seahawks that year had the leagues #1 and #2 defenses and Ryan and that offense lit both of them up. Defense just wasn't good. They let a rookie Russell Wilson look like a star and Colin Kaepernick look like a star.

They blew the lead but Ryan was a big part of that lead being blown. He also had a chance to lead a game winning drive to go to the SB and didn't pull it off keep in mind that he had Roddy, Julio & Tony. No excuses.

[ThPantherFan]

Here we go again. 

[Jd dirtybird21]

1 minute ago, truthjuice said:

When does he not take ownership? The press conference thing is a non-factor. He always takes the loss as his own loss. Cam has faced the media more times than he hasn't. He hates to lose so you'll never catch him excited to speak about a loss. Not to mention the relationship he has with the media. He's always in a lose-lose situation with that. "Man up" is a low blow to me. 

There are 16 losing QB's every Sunday and I'm sure all 16 of them don't feel like talking to the media. The majority of them have a different approach than Cam. That's the point I'm trying to make. I also think the way Cam approaches the media is a bigger factor than you think. It creates controversy, it gets the media to criticize him even MORE. That results in team distractions. It's definitely a factor