Colin Cowherd: Cam lacks work ethic to become a superstar

[tiger7_88]

7 minutes ago, Jd dirtybird21 said:

I honestly just appreciate greatness. I respect the hell out of Drew Brees even though he plays for a team I can't stand. 

Interesting.

The very picture definition of the white-boy QB.

Coincidence, I'm sure.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, carolinajay said:

Peyton Manning put his ass in a female trainer's face ala Rikisihi, Yelled at his O-line, called his kicker a drunk, etc and his maturity was never questioned. What Cam is doing is lightweight compared to that but according to you he is too immature to succeed after a MVP season, Super Bowl Berth

Peyton won. Brady wins.  

[CPantherKing]

Cam is a superstar most of the time, but when things go bad he does snowball on the field. We all know it, and we all have seen it. It is his one weakness, and defenses do their best to expose it.

His form falls apart. He loses track of his reads. He makes terrible decisions. Yes, this does happen, but he is absolutely great when he is on top of his game and laser focused.

I do believe the coaches should put him in situations he thrives at during a game. He needs 15 seconds to study the defense. He has trouble and feels rushed when he has 5 seconds or less when he gets the offense to the line. He is better when making adjustments at the line and using the no huddle.

He does get greedy. He rarely uses his check down when it is wide open for a long ball forced into coverage. Thankfully, his arm is the strongest in the NFL. Like everything, that will fade in time.

I do not see Cam doing well after he hits 30 and the body starts to go. If he is not a cerebral QB with polished mechanics within the next 3 to 5 seasons, then the Cam Newton window will close.

Windows are real people. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to you.

Enjoy him while you can. I wish the team built around him more instead of wasting time to save some money for the future of the team without Cam and Luke.

[carolinajay]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

Peyton won. Brady wins

you are missing the point, All those things I mentioned about Peyton happened before he won the Super Bowl.

[Jd dirtybird21]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

Wilson plays for a team that consistently wins...nothing more

if his team lost the media would start addressing what a weirdo he is (even some die hard fan Seahawks admit he probably is the most likely NFL candidate to start some weird cult one day).  Dude is odd about is fake as it gets in today's world.  But Hawks have done nothing but win so media likes him....for now.  They would start question if he was the right type guy to lead a team as people would just see right past his fake bull. 

Winning and losing....the media creates from there 

That's an interesting point but 100% speculation.

[The Lobo]

11 minutes ago, Jd dirtybird21 said:

I honestly just appreciate greatness. I respect the hell out of Drew Brees even though he plays for a team I can't stand. I think Cam could truly be the greatest QB ever. He's that talented. I honestly think his maturity is holding him back. Again, just my opinion. I'm not being insulting or trolling at all, just trying to have a discussion

I appreciate another teams fan perspective. With that said, I disagree with the sulking part. Like many on here I've been to games and watched cam play. I watch him on the sidelines and what the camera doesn't show is cam going up and down the oline giving pep talks and patting them on the back and cheering them on. He does this after his quick meeting with Dorsey (qb coach). The camera shows what it wants to show. Simply put, the narrative has been made long ago about Cam...he's the villain. Networks will show him at his worst to keep that going. They won't show him cheer on his line after a three and out. They will show him dab to drive home he's a show boat. They will show him pissed on the sidelines to show he pouts. Remember how the towel on the head was a big deal? Then people said MJ did it and it went away. 

Producers see him pissed they say show cam be pissed. He doesn't fit the narrative of a robot saying the same PC football answers in interviews and doing the same boring robot stuff. The dude is his own man and I like that. He's different and people don't like different. In today's day and age people applaud other people for being themselves. They should because being yourself is important. Cam is himself and is torn apart...doesn't make sense. The truth is, no one knows what he does in the locker room, at practice, or in the film room. most people just watch highlights or ESPN comments and make their decision about cam. 

 

[t96]

25 minutes ago, Jd dirtybird21 said:

Don't play the race card. Guys like The Golden Calf of Bristol and Manziel are white and both were polarizing college players just like Cam. Russell Wilson isn't white and he doesn't get criticized like Cam does. Its because Wilson is mature and is a professional. Cam likes to dab, show boat, and pout when his team is losing

I don't believe in the race card at all either but when comparing how people perceive Cam and Wilson it has nothing to do with maturity or professionalism. Cam was a polarizing college player coming into the draft and the media determined he'd be the next massive #1 overall pick to bust. Some dumb mistakes and immaturity in college were a part of that, yes, but the media just wanted to sell their stories and be right. They still want to be right even now, which is why they make such a big deal out of things that don't matter like the SB press conference. Wilson coming into the draft was pretty much a nobody on the national level to your average NFL fans. 3rd round pick with no high expectations came in and exceed what anybody thought would happen and the team has won consistently since he got there (mainly because of that defense of course). Those are the two types of stories that sell. The underdog Rudy type players like later round QB picks like Brady, Wilson, Prescott this year. And the other is the guy with huge expectations that just blows it and busts. Media influences the average fans who don't ever even see Cam or the Panthers and those people just join in on the nonsense. You as a Falcons fan obviously are viewing him from a Falcons fan lens, instead of one of logic, even if you have indeed watched him as extensively as you claim to.

[Jd dirtybird21]

5 minutes ago, carolinajay said:

you are missing the point, All those things I mentioned about Peyton happened before he won the Super Bowl.

It's still different. I'm talking about how he carries himself during the job. Cam's biggest knock from everywhere outside of Carolina is his maturity. Plain and simple. I also think he sometimes makes bad decisions like not throwing the ball away, sliding, or running out of bounds. If Cam wants to play till he's 37, he needs to change his mental approach to the game for sure

[TheRed]

Where were these hot takes about maturity when the Panthers were steamrolling the Falcons en route to yet another division title?

If you don't have the guts to spout this poo when your team isn't doing well, do us all a favor, and piss right off.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

Peyton won. Brady wins.  

peyton was a media darling but there absolutely was an undercurrent, right or wrong, that he was a stat-padder who threw his teammates under the bus and crumpled under adversity before the colts won a super bowl.  he got thrashed for his "protection problems" press conference after they lost to pittsburgh in the 05/06 postseason.  i'm sure you remember when irsay used his pull on the competition committee to get the rules changed after the patriots roughed up his wide receivers in the 2003/04 playoffs too.

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, carolinajay said:

you are missing the point, All those things I mentioned about Peyton happened before he won the Super Bowl.

He had 14 seasons with double digit wins and is arguably the greatest regular season QB of all time.  

In 17 years he posted 2 seasons with a losing record 

all he did was win.  Might not of been Super Bowls but doing nothing but winning...the media only praises.  

[Jd dirtybird21]

Just now, TheRed said:

Where were these hot takes about maturity when the Panthers were steamrolling the Falcons en route to yet another division title?

If you don't have the guts to spout this poo when your team isn't doing well, do us all a favor, and piss right off.

I've honestly just never thought of creating an account on another message board. It has nothing to do with my team being an incredible 6-4 right now. I could have easily created an account when the Falcons went 13-3 in 2010 and 2012 but I didn't. Look at all my posts in this thread, how am I trolling? Just because I'm a Falcons fan doesn't mean I automatically have a compromised opinion of Newton. Have I gloated about being 1st in the division once? The Panthers have won it 3 years in a row, they're the kings right now. This topic is about Cam Newton's maturity though...there's no need for deflecting my posts with bashing me or my team

[carolinajay]

5 minutes ago, Jd dirtybird21 said:

It's still different. I'm talking about how he carries himself during the job. Cam's biggest knock from everywhere outside of Carolina is his maturity. Plain and simple. I also think he sometimes makes bad decisions like not throwing the ball away, sliding, or running out of bounds. If Cam wants to play till he's 37, he needs to change his mental approach to the game for sure

What QB doesn't make bad decisions sometimes? Matt Ryan pick 6 before Halftime against Green Bay in the playoffs, Ryan also had costly turnovers vs the 49ers in the NFC Title game.

[carolinajay]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

He had 14 seasons with double digit wins and is arguably the greatest regular season QB of all time.  

In 17 years he posted 2 seasons with a losing record 

all he did was win.  Might not of been Super Bowls but doing nothing but winning...the media only praises.

I'm not denying Peyton's greatness as I am a big Peyton fan. We were taking about maturity and how it is never brought up in regards to certain players.