Offense Doesn't Score In 2nd Half Again

[uncfan888]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

Last season how many games did we have a backup LT, backup RT and a 3rd string C attempting to set up the offense? 

The OL is 100% crippling us.  

Yeah, but injuries are part of the game. Any team playing backups would feel the pain 

[truthjuice]

There were tons of dropped balls and God, we don't have a good run block and we know how pass protection is. This offseason, Gettleman has to make some things on offense a priority. We can't keep band-aiding positions and expecting one or two players to make lemonade with oranges. 

[Khyber53]

Even if you take out the injuries, our entire offense pretty much sucked last night. Cam played like he hadn't slept in a week. Stewie moved like Tim Conway's little old man character. Receivers were dropping balls left and right. We couldn't run block and when pass protection broke down our incredibly mobile QB most often looked like a deer caught in the headlights.

Our defense won that game, and then almost lost it because they got tired and the fact that Drew Brees is an incredibly talented QB. Had there been another 30 seconds on the clock at the end there, we'd all be discussing how we lost another one. 

You can't put this one on coaching, particularly Shula. He called a good game and when the players executed, the ball moved well. But man, barring the miracle catch by Ginn last night, our offense's highlight reel pretty much stops after the player introductions. That first series after the fumble recovery? Field goal? Really????

That was painful to watch. Yes, injuries were key, but man, that sucked pretty bad for a win.

[CRA]

15 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

Yeah, but injuries are part of the game. Any team playing backups would feel the pain 

even healthy the OL is us much worse than last year.

Last season we had to max protect all year long to get plays off.  It was a huge red flag.  Now teams, thanks to the Denver DC literally calling out the NFL, teams don't allow us to get by w/ the max protection.  It is countered now.  There is no scheme around that.  The counter is to not max protect and therefore you expose your weakness.

That is why the saying goes, if you aren't getting better, you are getting worse.  Now, as soon as we max protect, teams nullify the protection and therefore we just have a weak OL all the time.

Our OL in general just isn't good.  Healthy it isn't good and the depth is bad.   Every year it doesn't get addressed and a new issue pops up.

Big men up front allow you to compete....

[top dawg]

I've said it before: Ron is gonna get himself fired by riding that Shula Express to nowhere. That's the quickest way for all the haters to get a 2-fer axing. 

Sure the players dropped a couple, but that isn't the central problem. You have to be able to adjust to the game, and frankly I believe Shula is sh¡t at it (and I'm starting to wonder about my man, Ron, also).

If the run isn't working and the defense is stacking the box and/or blitzing (particularly if your O-line has issues), run some plays to get the ball out quicker. Brees was carving us up with short passes all night long. We should have run some screens, and passes in the flat and/or in front of their linebackers, especially quick-outs to the sidelines also. We need to get Stew more involved as a receiver on those types of plays also.

And, lastly, just my own personal belief, get Philly involved more on those plays as well, as his quickness should be an asset in space. It's probably way too much to  ask that Byrd be activated and used, but we need more speed when defenses are cheating toward the line. 

Basically we just need more creativity on offense, and not some damned gadget reverse that works only 30 percent of the time.

Norv Turner should be brought on as a consultant. 

 

[unicar15]

I get that we have a lot of injuries but Shula is terrible. It makes me wonder if the talent on the team hid his gameplanning during the run last year and now without some key guys he's got no plan to overcome injury. 

[top dawg]

31 minutes ago, CRA said:

Last season how many games did we have a backup LT, backup RT and a 3rd string C attempting to set up the offense? 

The OL is 100% crippling us.  

Well, I would argue that we had back-up OTs last season as well...

I concede that when you're down to your third string center that you're bound to have some issues, but as an OC, if you know all these things, you have to adjust something. 

Get the ball out quicker, including taking advantage of RBs with good hands and using your quicker, shiftier players. If you can't do that, then at least repeatedly beat the opposition down with your size at receiver. It's no wonder that the game-sealing play was on a quick slant to Benjamin.

 

[CRA]

30 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Well, I would argue that we had back-up OTs last season as well...

I concede that when you're down to your third string center that you're bound to have some issues, but as an OC, if you know all these things, you have to adjust something. 

Get the ball out quicker, including taking advantage of RBs with good hands and using your quicker, shiftier players. If you can't do that, then at least repeatedly beat the opposition down with your size at receiver. It's no wonder that the game-sealing play was on a quick slant to Benjamin.

 

people keep saying well...Shula just needs to adjust. 

If for example you have to put Zach Sanchez up against Julio Jones for example....it doesn't matter how well you scheme.  Julio is going to win and win often.  You can't just scheme to fix glaring issues...not over 4 quarters.

OL is the worst possible place to have issues because it literally can prevent everyone else from having a shot.

[Darvinsun]

9 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

our players suck man, i paid extra close attention and it's the personnel. drop passes left and right and our wr's can't create a inch of space unless they ran zone. Cam holding the ball too long some plays and our o line getting bullied as aways in both the run and pass blocking......

I hate that Cam just does not take off running anymore when nothing is there just stands there until they are right up on him and sacked..him turning into a pocket passer has taken some of his edge away and maybe injuries and age.

[Darvinsun]

9 hours ago, outlaw4 said:

I wasn't able to find out exactly when we lost Kalil. When I checked the game log, I noticed there were only two drives in the 3rd quarter. I'm certain he was gone for the entire 4th quarter. There's a definite impact there but how much is unknown.

Personally, I have greater concerns that we may have to start looking for a future center.

I think halftime he was gone.

[SportsCrazie4172]

are we actually going to work out people who play offensive line or more tight ends?

[CRA]

55 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I've said it before: Ron is gonna get himself fired by riding that Shula Express to nowhere. That's the quickest way for all the haters to get a 2-fer axing. 

Sure the players dropped a couple, but that isn't the central problem. You have to be able to adjust to the game, and frankly I believe Shula is sh¡t at it (and I'm starting to wonder about my man, Ron, also).

If the run isn't working and the defense is stacking the box and/or blitzing (particularly if your O-line has issues), run some plays to get the ball out quicker. Brees was carving us up with short passes all night long. We should have run some screens, and passes in the flat and/or in front of their linebackers, especially quick-outs to the sidelines also. We need to get Stew more involved as a receiver on those types of plays also.

And, lastly, just my own personal belief, get Philly involved more on those plays as well, as his quickness should be an asset in space. It's probably way too much to  ask that Byrd be activated and used, but we need more speed when defenses are cheating toward the line. 

Basically we just need more creativity on offense, and not some damned gadget reverse that works only 30 percent of the time.

Norv Turner should be brought on as a consultant. 

 

you want Norv to come just so he can tell Gettlemen his OL is a joke?  That is the fix.

Our OL can't execute the most simplistic stuff yet people want them to get more creative with them? Do that and it just increases the odds of people getting hurt IMO.

[panthers55]

I've said it before: Ron is gonna get himself fired by riding that Shula Express to nowhere. That's the quickest way for all the haters to get a 2-fer axing. 

Sure the players dropped a couple, but that isn't the central problem. You have to be able to adjust to the game, and frankly I believe Shula is sh¡t at it (and I'm starting to wonder about my man, Ron, also).

If the run isn't working and the defense is stacking the box and/or blitzing (particularly if your O-line has issues), run some plays to get the ball out quicker. Brees was carving us up with short passes all night long. We should have run some screens, and passes in the flat and/or in front of their linebackers, especially quick-outs to the sidelines also. We need to get Stew more involved as a receiver on those types of plays also.

And, lastly, just my own personal belief, get Philly involved more on those plays as well, as his quickness should be an asset in space. It's probably way too much to  ask that Byrd be activated and used, but we need more speed when defenses are cheating toward the line. 

Basically we just need more creativity on offense, and not some damned gadget reverse that works only 30 percent of the time.

Norv Turner should be brought on as a consultant. 

 

If you were at the game you would have noticed several things. There were a number of times when there were wide open receivers and Cam didnt even look their way. The pressure he gets from repeated blitzes has turned him into a one read and throw it guy again. There were a few drops........on several drives. In the fourth quarter I saw three drops on one series alone.
I also saw plays were we called a great play but the execution was awful. KB for example whiffed on several blocks when we called screens or used a bunch formation. Truth is given the crap OLine, injuries and poor execution, one of the best things right now is that Shula is doing a pretty good job polishing this offensive turd to make us look better than we are. We have had a lead at halftime in 9 out of 10 games. And the tendency to let teams back in the game isn't a new thing. Rivera wants a conservative game with a lead. The difference is the defense hadn't created turnovers to stop comebacks. We scored 23 points when we were using our third string center, Cam was having a poor night, receivers were inconsistent at best, repeated PI calls were ignored and we had no running game. Even then we left at least 10 points on the board with repeated sacks taking us out of field goal or scoring position.
If you are blaming Shula you are seeing the game but have no idea what is really happening.

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[Darvinsun]

1 hour ago, unicar15 said:

I get that we have a lot of injuries but Shula is terrible. It makes me wonder if the talent on the team hid his gameplanning during the run last year and now without some key guys he's got no plan to overcome injury. 

It did.