PFF: Panthers Top 10 Offensive line heading into Week 11. Mike Remmers clearly the weak link.

[nctarheel0619]

10. Carolina Panthers (73.8)

Carolina’s problems on the line extend further than LT Mike Remmers, though he remains the biggest issue. Remmers has surrendered five sacks, two hits, and 26 hurries in 384 pass-blocking snaps this season, which isn’t the worst mark in the league (there is much, much worse to come), but it does rank sixth-worst among all tackles. Trai Turner has had a disappointing slump after appearing to be on his way to becoming one of the league’s best guards. Michael Oher being off the field would ordinarily be a positive development, but the depth hasn’t proven to be much of an upgrade, if any; Daryl Williams has only allowed one sack, but has surrendered 16 additional QB pressures on 253 pass-blocking snaps.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-entering-week-11/

 

[uncfan888]

Remmers is the weak link? I'm genuinely shocked. Thanks for posting that and opening my eyes

[CarolinaSock]

Wait this can't be right. I was sure 3/5th's of our line should be backups for much of the league and we've completely neglected it while most every team is flush with talent with no holes.

[top dawg]

Tackle is a weak link as is suggested by the synopsis. Sarcasm won't change that.

[Snake]

Yet people keep telling me I'm wrong about needing new tackles. I mean it has to be Shula's scheme right? ? ? 

[The_Rainmaker]

44 minutes ago, CarolinaSock said:

Wait this can't be right. I was sure 3/5th's of our line should be backups for much of the league and we've completely neglected it while most every team is flush with talent with no holes.

Most ppl have issue with the Tackles  and wanting DW to replace Remmers. Interior is good but DG has to invest in a LT he talks about  need of having  multiple pass rushers to win games but he also needs to realize that other teams have pass rushers and we need a solid LT to counter other teams cause right now they are winning.

[uncfan888]

44 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Tackle is a weak link as is suggested by the synopsis. Sarcasm won't change that.

I don't think you'll find anyone on here that would suggest different. But to constantly whine and bitch about it when nothing can be done this year is getting old.  And I don't mean you're doing that, just in general 

[Khyber53]

Just remember, that's the #10 offensive line out of 32 in the league. By their own metrics (and PFF is one of the best ever), there's 22 offensive lines worse than ours. Worse, with Remmers and Williams in there. We think they're bad, but in the measurables, they're not horrible. 

Could we use an upgrade at either or both OT positions? Well, yeah, who doesn't? And that's the problem. OT is an incredibly tough position to play and at the Pro level, there aren't really even 64 guys (in the whole nation and Canada) that would be good enough to be pro-level starters. Let that sink in... There are more quality DEs, DTs, CBs, LBs, and guards than OTs. Most of the bottom half teams on that list are just throwing in guys at the position and trying to make do. 

Let's step away from our current guys and instead go back to Jordan Gross. Gross was a quality, first rate offensive tackle. He had a good, long career here and was generally well thought of. He wasn't what would be considered a Hall of Fame player, but he was reliable, not terribly injury prone, and kept his QB upright most of the time. He still got beat, some years more than others, but he was a core player here. He was an All-American from Utah and was a first round draft pick (8th). 

Those guys don't grow on trees and that's one of the reasons he was begged to stay for a couple of years probably past the point where he really wanted to. Big paychecks will do that.

What I'm trying to get across here is that while we don't have a set of tackles that we love, we've got better than we give credit for. There are better players, but there sure are a whole lot worse. And replacing these guys is tough. The good free agents, that still have tread on their tires, are really, really expensive. Like Cam, Luke, tackle to be named later expensive.

The other option is to draft one. If you've got a high draft pick, you can grab one of the two or three best prospects out there. Thanks to the new rookie pay scale cap, this isn't as devastatingly expensive as it once was. And you are still taking a roll of the dice. Tony Mandarich and the Packers anyone? Second pick in the 1989 behind Troy Aikman and ahead of Barry Sanders. Sports Illustrated crowned him the best offensive line prospect ever. Now he is considered about the sixth biggest draft bust in history.

What most teams do, and that's what we've done, is try to grab later rounders or journeymen or castoffs and make the most we can of them. Sometimes it blows up, but at least you aren't on the Cap hook for it. Sometimes you find some back ups, sometimes you find stopgap guys. Sometimes you hit a homerun or rejuvenate a stalled career. 

But you are still just sifting through a lot of coal and carbon, hoping to find a diamond. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

we might be better off playing Hawkins at LT.

[CPF4LIFE]

But I was told  remmers had a great year last year and he would be fine during training camp. 

[Cuttinedge]

2 hours ago, ludwig51 said:

Williams is the best tackle we had since gross but Rivera is hardheaded 

He got beat like a rented mule several times Sunday. Just saying 

and yes RR is hard headed he finally makes changes when injuries make him 

[juliosantos]

williams had stepped in very well , if oher ever comes back daryl should stay on the right instead of the revolving door

[csx]

2 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

we might be better off playing Hawkins at LT.

Or much worse and that's why he isn't playing 

[csx]

2 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

we might be better off playing Hawkins at LT.

Or much worse and that's why he isn't playing