Fire Them And It All Goes Away, The Good and The Bad

[rhyslloyd]

Fire Ron because he's had 6 years to build a consistent contender.  But, but, but 3 NFCS championships.  Weak division.  Ron's inability to make adjustments and decisions to stand by players and coaches who are hurting the team should cost him his job. He's had enough time.  Hit the road.

[Lumps]

3 hours ago, RoaringRiot said:

What teams only need a year?

I was summarizing the OP's long ass post. 

 

I don't need a SB, I'm happy with a legitimate playoff team (not a one and done playoff team, or 7-9 playoff team). But I'd also be happy with concecutive winning seasons even without playoffs.

One happens every decade and one has never happened. The issue at this point is the fact we have a real QB, something we have never had yet still we are in this once a decade type thing, we have only gotten slightly better and that's mainly due to the NFC getting worse (aging, cap, rebuilding).

[Mvp2014]

Just fire Shula.  The guy is a joke

[Darvinsun]

20 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

You know, I am sick of hearing "Fire Gettleman" or "Fire Rivera" because this season we've lost twice the number of games we've won.

Folks, it's idiocy of the lowest order. You want heads to roll and blood to run in the streets because your team is having a bad year. Doesn't matter what happened last year, or the year before, or the year before. Just the right now. Fire 'em, that'll fix it, right?

Wrong. Firing either or both of those guys will start us all over again where we were after John Fox finished his lame duck season. We'll be starting over from scratch with an unknown general manager and whatever coach happens to be out there jobless or begging someone to give him his first head coaching job, And that is a terrible place to be. 

I mean, Norv Turner is out there. Gus Bradley is probably firing up his resume`. Heck, maybe even Jeff Fisher will be on the market. Maybe Hue Jackson will jump ship after a single year at the mistake by the lake. I mean, really? Mike Singletary is out there just waiting for a call, and he might even get Chip Kelly to come along as a two-fer.  Any of those guys sound good? And no, Gruden (the good one) and Cowher aren't coming out of retirement. You might be able to get John Fox to pull a Moose and swing back for a couple of seasons after Chicago, but do we really want to go down that path again?

And fire the general manager? Really? Who have you got on your Roladex? Mine's empty because the only one I know of that isn't working right now is Marty Huerny. He's probably like coming back but his lack of skill with numbers would worry me.

I'm not trying to say don't fire these guys because there are no better candidates out there. I'm just starting with that because it's the easy answer. The real meat of it is this: serious contender teams, the ones that are competitive year in and year out have continuity. They have it in their coaching staff and in their front office. Players negotiate their contracts and play them out under the same management. Coaches stay and the language between the players and the coaches develop, a seniority system emerges and veteran leadership is within the locker room instead of having to be brought in from outside.

Good teams have bad years sometimes. And only two teams make it to the Superb Owl each year, leaving the rest behind. Those good teams, though, they are always in the playoff mix, somehow. New England is always in the tournament, whether they go to the big dance or not. Pittsburgh is often there, too. The Giants, under their previous coach, were there more often than not, and Eli does have two rings. Indy used to be there. Green Bay is almost always in the playoffs. Seattle was the new kid in the group, but then came Carolina. 

I've said it before and I'll say it again: We weren't supposed to be there last year. It was a marvelous, wild fluke. We were a year or two early, but we caught lightning in a bottle. Gettleman and Rivera hadn't finished building the team they wanted, but somehow, it just worked. This year, we're still feeling the effects of that long, long season and we're falling behind like a lot of teams have done after the championship. And that's okay.

It's okay because they are still building that team. And our franchise players are just entering their primes. Our aging vets like TD and Olsen are still playing at a high level and next year they should be good to go. And for years after that.

Just don't sell the future out now just because that's the easy answer. This ain't Madden and the reset button in the real world can be the worst thing to hit.

 

Nope..this team was good still is..you know how tony dungy could never get tampa over the hump then grueden did..Thats the way i feel about ron except i don't  feel that he will go somewhere else and win a superbowl..Maybe we just need a new coirdinator but shula has to go..

 

 

 

[CRA]

3 hours ago, rhyslloyd said:

Fire Ron because he's had 6 years to build a consistent contender.  But, but, but 3 NFCS championships.  Weak division.  Ron's inability to make adjustments and decisions to stand by players and coaches who are hurting the team should cost him his job. He's had enough time.  Hit the road.

Ron doesn't build the team.  He coaches what he is given. 

Now, I do agree Ron has some issues on O.  Always has managing scenarios. 

but one look at the defense and there are clear personel issues because Ron Rivera can flat out coach a defense.  Coaching isn't a defensive or scheme issue. 

and a GM that employs a defensive HC has to give him 2 things.  Good defensive talent and a good OL. 

 

[rhyslloyd]

16 minutes ago, CRA said:

Ron doesn't build the team.  He coaches what he is given. 

Now, I do agree Ron has some issues on O.  Always has managing scenarios. 

but one look at the defense and there are clear personel issues because Ron Rivera can flat out coach a defense.  Coaching isn't a defensive or scheme issue. 

and a GM that employs a defensive HC has to give him 2 things.  Good defensive talent and a good OL. 

 

So, if we do start winning and competing consistently, it will, at least partially, be in spite of Ron?  That's not necessarily how I would want to feel about my head coach.  Not a knock at what you're saying because I agree to an extent.  Just a thought.