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If Gettleman hired his own coach, would you trust he'll make the right decision?

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1 hour ago, 15 said:

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Star, KB, Shaq...way too early to evaluate Butler

last 2 first round picks have been drafted with their intention to be depth and rotational for at least their first few seasons.  I'm not questioning the players in terms of talent.

But if you claim you want to build your team through the draft and start going consecutive drafts where you spend your first round picks on guys intended to be backups?  I think it is a realistic argument your team on the field will start feeling the effects of it.  In today's NFL people expect those picks to produce and produce soon.  By design our last couple haven't be intended to do so.  So even if you hit a draft pick out of the park and they sit on the sideline....it then begins to limit the impact and change they could make for a team.   You can nail a draft pick and hardly improve your team at all. 

Now if you aren't a team that puts the extreme emphasis on building through the draft I wouldn't take as much issue with it.  

Goes back to the days of debating if we should extend Williams and Stewart.  Having a bunch of great players at one spot is a great talking point.  But you can never get around the fact your high investment assets are spending a lot of time watching from the sideline.  Hate me for it, but at least I am consistent about the logic.

For example, I actually like Shaq the player more than the average huddler does (and he is pretty popular).  But unless something happens to Luke or TD we aren't going to get the most out of what he can provide under his rookie deal.  Same goes for Butler.  

so it isn't about the players ability but more roster management and building a well rounded team.  Haven't liked the last 2 drafts in the first round and his last offseason in term of building this roster....and it is a what have you done for me lately business.

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2 minutes ago, Bartin said:

He would likely hire some philosophically antiquated asshole like Tom Coughlin.

I don't know if that is good or bad, but it is definitely the type of guy I would expect him to hire.

Coughlin actually was talking last night about coaching again on MNF. 

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33 minutes ago, CRA said:

last 2 first round picks have been drafted with their intention to be depth and rotational for at least their first few seasons.  I'm not questioning the players in terms of talent.

But if you claim you want to build your team through the draft and start him consecutive drafts where you spend your first round picks on guys intended to be backups?  I think it is a realistic argument your team on the field will start feeling the effects of it.  In today's NFL people expect those picks to produce and produce soon.  By design our last couple haven't be intended to do so.

Now if you aren't a team that puts the extreme emphasis on building through the draft I wouldn't take as much issue with it.  

Goes back to the days of debating if we should extend Williams and Stewart.  Having a bunch of great players at one spot is a great talking point.  But you can never get around the fact your high investment assets are spending a lot of time watching from the sideline.  Hate me for it, but at least I am consistent about the logic.

For example, I actually like Shaq the player more than the average huddler does (and he is pretty popular).  But unless something happens to Luke or TD we aren't going to get the most out of what he can provide under his rookie deal.  Same goes for Butler.  

so it isn't about the players ability but more roster management and building a well rounded team.  Haven't liked the last 2 drafts I the first round and his last offseason in term of building this roster....and it is a what have you done for me lately business.

Heres the thing when your picking in the mid to late 20s all the "sure things" are off the table. You don't think he wants a starter to play right away. When its our turn to pick we usually pick someone who expected to go soon anyway. Its not like we know the other potential draft picks will become starters right away. 

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26 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

yeah, winning super bowls would be awful.

Well I never said Coughlin would be good or bad and hiring him doesn't guarantee a Super Bowl just because he has won them previously. He's also 70 years old so you're hiring another coach in a few years if you do hire him.

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I have never been convinced DG would have hired RR to begin with.  They both got thrown together without mutual input.  In fact, I would not have been surprised if DG was lightly pressing to fire RR during the 2014 season. 

To the point and question at hand - hard to say what DG would do or who he would hire since he has not hired any coaches before.  In fact, I would say it is equally likely he would hire RR as opposed to someone else had he been here when RR was interviewing because we have no idea what he would do in hindsight.

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1 hour ago, CRA said:

last 2 first round picks have been drafted with their intention to be depth and rotational for at least their first few seasons.  I'm not questioning the players in terms of talent.

But if you claim you want to build your team through the draft and start him consecutive drafts where you spend your first round picks on guys intended to be backups?  I think it is a realistic argument your team on the field will start feeling the effects of it.  In today's NFL people expect those picks to produce and produce soon.  By design our last couple haven't be intended to do so.

Now if you aren't a team that puts the extreme emphasis on building through the draft I wouldn't take as much issue with it.  

Goes back to the days of debating if we should extend Williams and Stewart.  Having a bunch of great players at one spot is a great talking point.  But you can never get around the fact your high investment assets are spending a lot of time watching from the sideline.  Hate me for it, but at least I am consistent about the logic.

For example, I actually like Shaq the player more than the average huddler does (and he is pretty popular).  But unless something happens to Luke or TD we aren't going to get the most out of what he can provide under his rookie deal.  Same goes for Butler.  

so it isn't about the players ability but more roster management and building a well rounded team.  Haven't liked the last 2 drafts I the first round and his last offseason in term of building this roster....and it is a what have you done for me lately business.

I never really thought of it that way. You make a great point and even gave me a new perspective.

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