Is Shula to blame or the return of KB?

[Snake]

11 hours ago, KillerKat said:

Gettleman

For not providing protection . 

[Malt Liquor]

I would love tackle Dave Gettleman come out of a 3 points stance, as soon as he puts a sandwich in his fuggin mouth..All these years with fielding mediocre offensive linemen!!

[truthjuice]

7 hours ago, Malt Liquor said:

I would love tackle Dave Gettleman come out of a 3 points stance, as soon as he puts a sandwich in his fuggin mouth..All these years with fielding mediocre offensive linemen!!

LOL! I needed this early morning laugh!

[CRA]

12 hours ago, The Lobo said:

Just heard on First Take (I know I know) but they talked about Cam. They brought up an interesting point. What if Cam is just good. Not elite but good. Tier 2 qb like the pundits say. I am a believer of Cam, but what if he's just "good"? Maybe last year was a freak year. I'm not saying I believe this I just think it should be discussed.

We have seen lots of great QBs be just good when their OL turns to slop though...and Cam has always been forced to be part of his run.  

So to me, there is no doubt Cam is great.  He may not be great in a tradional sense though.  But when his greatness or goodness gets talked about his ground game gets thrown out the window for the most part or downplayed  

[The Lobo]

37 minutes ago, CRA said:

We have seen lots of great QBs be just good when their OL turns to slop though...and Cam has always been forced to be part of his run.  

So to me, there is no doubt Cam is great.  He may not be great in a tradional sense though.  But when his greatness or goodness gets talked about his ground game gets thrown out the window for the most part or downplayed  

Completely agree. I don't like when people take his running away when talking about him being a great qb. It's a big reason why we were in the super bowl. I've heard several pundits bring up the fact he's only had two winning seasons. If only they actually watched our games.

[OldNorthPowell]

Shula is mostly the blame for the offense looking like crap.............

[CRA]

18 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

Completely agree. I don't like when people take his running away when talking about him being a great qb. It's a big reason why we were in the super bowl. I've heard several pundits bring up the fact he's only had two winning seasons. If only they actually watched our games.

if you go back to his rookie year....I imagine Cam's team have a lead going into the 2nd half of probably close to 70-75% of the games he has played.  That is totally a guess at the percentage but it has to be comically high. 

I imagine over the course of his career if he had a decent OL and traditional ground game and well overall built defenses.....his record would be outstanding given those leads his team has had.

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, OldNorthPowell said:

Shula is mostly the blame for the offense looking like crap.............

When your OL gets blown up it is a talent issue and all OCs will fail.  Shula dating back to last year has given his OL probably more aid than anyone else in the NFL.  Given the comical lengths we have gone to teams are now focusing in on it and they didn't last year.

Shula schemes around the deficiencies and how we matchup vs other teams...hence the first half starts.  Then opposing teams sink their teeth into everything Shula is having to do to stay afloat in the matchup and counter after they see it for a haf

[OldNorthPowell]

11 minutes ago, CRA said:

When your OL gets blown up it is a talent issue and all OCs will fail.  Shula dating back to last year has given his OL probably more aid than anyone else in the NFL.  Given the comical lengths we have gone to teams are now focusing in on it and they didn't last year.

Shula schemes around the deficiencies and how we matchup vs other teams...hence the first half starts.  Then opposing teams sink their teeth into everything Shula is having to do to stay afloat in the matchup and counter after they see it for a haf

Shula has been figured out and the league knows he will not adjust. His play calling at times is so predictable that I can call out what is going to happen before the play is run. Of course not every issue on offense is his fault but the majority are. Running Mike Tolbert at all is a bad decision and one that any competent OC is not making. Shula is too predictable and does not adjust. That is enough to get any coach at any position fired.

[CRA]

13 minutes ago, OldNorthPowell said:

Shula has been figured out and the league knows he will not adjust. His play calling at times is so predictable that I can call out what is going to happen before the play is run. Of course not every issue on offense is his fault but the majority are. Running Mike Tolbert at all is a bad decision and one that any competent OC is not making. Shula is too predictable and does not adjust. That is enough to get any coach at any position fired.

There is no adjustment/scheme for being outmatched in the trenches for 4 quarters every week anymore.  

Shula schemed around it all last season.  Finally with a year of film Denver called out basically every team we played for not countering it. 

This year Shula is in an even tougher spot because Denver basically called out how we were surviving.  So Shula continues to adjust....which is why we lead the majority at the half.  By half good defense simply counter again....and it is over.

when you are legimately out manned....you can't scheme out of it all game.  That isn't because Shula stinks.  He might.  All OCs would have the same issue of talent up front. 

Carolina's talent can barely run block and pass block basic plays.  But Shula needs to be more complicated and less predictable? We would get blown out. 

The most predictable team in the NFL has the best record 

[OldNorthPowell]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

There is no adjustment/scheme for being outmatched in the trenches for 4 quarters every week anymore.  

Shula schemed around it all last season.  Finally with a year of film Denver called out basically every team we played for not countering it. 

This year Shula is in an even tougher spot because Denver basically called out how we were surviving.  So Shula continues to adjust....which is why we lead the majority at the half.  By half good defense simply counter again....and it is over.

when you are legimately out manned....you can't scheme out of it all game.  That isn't because Shula stinks.  He might.  All OCs would have the same issue of talent up front. 

Carolina's talent can barely run block and pass block basic plays.  But Shula needs to be more complicated and less predictable? We would get blown out. 

The most predictable team in the NFL has the best record 

Again I disagree strongly but we can agree to disagree. To each their own have a good day.

[The Question]

It might be jumpy to say it this early but I just don't think KB is gonna be our Amari Cooper, our Julio Jones or our AJ Green.

Granted he did have a 1000 yard season, he is coming off an ACL and he is an extraordinary play maker. It might be early but this season has not showed me that he's gonna be that guy for us. I hope I'm wrong.


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[CRA]

2 minutes ago, The Question said:

It might be jumpy to say it this early but I just don't think KB is gonna be our Amari Cooper, our Julio Jones or our AJ Green.

Granted he did have a 1000 yard season, he is coming off an ACL and he is an extraordinary play maker. It might be early but this season has not showed me that he's gonna be that guy for us. I hope I'm wrong.


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KB just seems to lack too much in the YAC department to be a Julio/Green type.  

KB is definately good in his own way though

[Steve_Smith_Sr.]

The predictability of our offense is a major problem.  Cam hasn't been great this year either.  He has flashes of brilliance, but he's very streaky.  Yes the OL has a lot to do with that.  Gano has a lot to do with our season.  The rookies have a TON to do with the season.  There is so much blame to go around it's not even funny.

I also think the team needs a damn shrink too.  Our inability to overcome the emotions of getting down early in a game is a big deal.  I don't know how to fix that but it's a real thing and everyone watching the Panthers game feels it.  Truly great teams overcome that.  I hate them, but the Steelers are the best example of this in my mind.  They are ALWAYS in the game.... and I always expect them to come back and win.  I'd love 10% of that for our team.