Is Shula to blame or the return of KB?

[Khyber53]

KB is big and has a huge catch radius with good receiving mechanics. He isn't fast, though. If he gets away from his defender, the guy must have stumbled or got lost along the way. That reach, though, is a major advantage.

In all honesty, I thought KB would be a Megatron-like receiver, but what he really is is a giant possession receiver. That's great, but your #1 has to be able to move and run more than a couple of good routes.

And that's what it all boiled down to yesterday. We kept throwing and throwing to our great possession receiver, but never getting a breakaway reception. 20 play drive, no points. I wonder on those sacks, and on the ones earlier in the season, how many times did we have KB running a long route, something that would be, for him, slow developing? Slants and curls are his bread and butter, but a go or wheel route? Nah.

If Philly had Smitty's fire, or if Ginn had Proehl's hands, either of them would be the go to guy. But they aren't and no amount of wishful thinking will make them that. (And yeah, Ginn had some receptions, but where are the breakaways from last year?).

 

[truthjuice]

1 hour ago, SportsCrazie4172 said:

So Bersin is the solution?

Lawd..

Yeah, apparently. Don't forget that it's Cam's fault too Bersin doesn't perform well. 

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Can't really ignore the oline they were horrible in run blocking, which made us one dimensional majority of the game, KB is only effective running certain routes like slants and hitches, we need to upgrade the running game or get a true #1 wr. Fix that and the offense will be worlds better. Until then can't really fault the oc


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yep.

As a man once said, big guys up front allow you to compete......and the Carolina Panthers don't have good big guys upfront.  We have weak run blockers and are overall marginal at pass protection (decent inside and gets bad going out)

[Fox007]

2 hours ago, PhillyB said:

KB is a huge asset. however he can be a dumbass. all of his mistakes are stupid ones resulting from not concentrating. he needs to get his head in the game with some consistency and we'll be fine.

The co worker who sits next to me is an FSU alum and graduated 5 years ago always said KB was clutch and a beast but he has mental lapses.

We are really seeing some big time mental mistakes on his part...uhhh....at least he's 6'5" two forty

[General_Purr]

Shula or whoever is running the offense DURING the game. Jesus man.. that second half was awful. 

[panthers1234]

3 hours ago, FootballLivesMatter said:

Shula and Cam. I would say more on Shula

Its definitely more on Cam and I don't think it's even close. He pretty much has complete control of the offense and he can audible in and out of any play. Cam has been off this year because the OL is more shaky than last year. We also had a pretty easy schudule last year and wasn't even challenged until we got to the super bowl. This year has been more on the players. So many fug ups cost us too many games but its mainly been a mixture of Cam, OL, Secondary, Gano, and KB that last game.  

Im tired of blaming Shula for EVERYTHING. 

Gano misses the fg at denver game - whos fault is it? its fugging the kicker and not shula

Saints beat us 41-38 - whos fault? the defense not shula

KC loss - Cams pick 6 and KB's fumble

Julio goes off 300 yds - secondary

 

Sure shula has made mistakes but to say he is the #1/main reason we lost all our games is complete BS. 

[Catufb85]

Shula has to be gone.  Yes, we have a mediocre Offensive Line but we still went to the fricking Super Bowl for crying out loud.  Shula's conservative, predictable, non-creative play calling has got to go.  We have to much damn talent on the offensive side of the ball to only have scored 15 total points in the 2nd half of our loses.  That is inexcusable.   The complacent play-calling when we have a lead and being okay with playing super conservative football instead of blowing teams out is the reasoning for the loses. 

We need a fresh face at OC one who is more deceptive with their formations and playcalls but also still creative enough to let Cam be Cam. 

KB is not the issue.  He has actually been the 2nd most productive receiver behind Olsen.  Cam was eating Peters up yesterday so the whole "why are you picking on Peters" is irrelevant.  Peters just happened to make a fantastic play on KB when we should have been taking a knee.  We shouldn't have been in that predicament anyways when you have a 21 play drive that chews up 8:00+ minutes of a quarter and to come away with zero points...

We need a new OC!

[gorillamilitia13]

3 hours ago, PhillyB said:

KB is a huge asset. however he can be a dumbass. all of his mistakes are stupid ones resulting from not concentrating. he needs to get his head in the game with some consistency and we'll be fine.

needs to put down the dro. JK

[CarolinaSock]

Did anyone else listen to Geoff Schwartz this afternoon? He brought up several points and questions that most Panther fans don't want to discuss or admit. Cam has poor situational awareness. Are we not calling all these routes that people keep screaming for because Shula is an idiot, or because Cam is bad at throwing them? There are almost no timing routes in our offense or option routes. 

[MechaZain]

13 minutes ago, CarolinaSock said:

Did anyone else listen to Geoff Schwartz this afternoon? He brought up several points and questions that most Panther fans don't want to discuss or admit. Cam has poor situational awareness. Are we not calling all these routes that people keep screaming for because Shula is an idiot, or because Cam is bad at throwing them? There are almost no timing routes in our offense or option routes. 

Cam thread the needle a bunch of times and was mostly spot on, that's not "poor situational awareness." If the game plan requires 100% accuracy from him that's bad coaching.

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

Cam thread the needle a bunch of times and was mostly spot on, that's not "poor situational awareness." If the game plan requires 100% accuracy from him that's bad coaching.

I think poor situational awareness would mean it is better to eat a sack than loft one to centerfield in your own territoty, in desperation, to get picked, and open the door for KC (who hasn't done poo offensively)

Peyton Manning or Brady eat it.  There is a time and to blindly toss it up.  Cam failed there 

[CRA]

45 minutes ago, Catufb85 said:

Shula has to be gone.  Yes, we have a mediocre Offensive Line but we still went to the fricking Super Bowl for crying out loud.  Shula's conservative, predictable, non-creative play calling has got to go.  We have to much damn talent on the offensive side of the ball to only have scored 15 total points in the 2nd half of our loses.  That is inexcusable.   The complacent play-calling when we have a lead and being okay with playing super conservative football instead of blowing teams out is the reasoning for the loses. 

We need a fresh face at OC one who is more deceptive with their formations and playcalls but also still creative enough to let Cam be Cam. 

KB is not the issue.  He has actually been the 2nd most productive receiver behind Olsen.  Cam was eating Peters up yesterday so the whole "why are you picking on Peters" is irrelevant.  Peters just happened to make a fantastic play on KB when we should have been taking a knee.  We shouldn't have been in that predicament anyways when you have a 21 play drive that chews up 8:00+ minutes of a quarter and to come away with zero points...

We need a new OC!

A new OC isn't going to change the fact the OL we had out there simply isn't good enough.  Plays have no shot to often because of OL talent (some of that is injury) but Cam has bailed them out for some time and our FO has been content with him working miracles more than he should.  Keep going to that well and it will dry up 

[truthjuice]

37 minutes ago, CRA said:

I think poor situational awareness would mean it is better to eat a sack than loft one to centerfield in your own territoty, in desperation, to get picked, and open the door for KC (who hasn't done poo offensively)

Peyton Manning or Brady eat it.  There is a time and to blindly toss it up.  Cam failed there 

But people get pissed when Cam takes the sack. I think he tries to make something out of nothing. It works and when it does, it's great. When it doesn't, it's not good. We've seen Cam make some gutsy plays so I think a lot of times he's just trying to make something happen. 

[truthjuice]

39 minutes ago, CRA said:

A new OC isn't going to change the fact the OL we had out there simply isn't good enough.  Plays have no shot to often because of OL talent (some of that is injury) but Cam has bailed them out for some time and our FO has been content with him working miracles more than he should.  Keep going to that well and it will dry up 

This makes me mad because we could be better than we are. Cam is supposed to be too many other things plus a quarterback on he field. He's made it happen but this year is proof that even Superman needs a little help.