2nd Half Offense

[DaveThePanther2008]

48 minutes ago, Nate Dogg said:

In the Chiefs, Rams, Cardinals, Vikings, and Broncos games this team has a combined FIFTEEN offensive points in second halves. Just let that sink in. Fifteen.

Football is a chess match not something you just set a plan and go.

I've said it in a couple of different threads.  Defenses go into half time and make adjustments and Shula has no counter for it.  Every Game!!!!   He runs the same shyt in the second half as he does the first.  Doesn't have a clue that the defense has made an adjustment.

Shula sucks at in game adjustments.  Always has Always will.

I like Rivera but his damn loyalty to Shula is going to get him canned.  It is ridiculous that we have arguably the greatest multi-threat QB ever to play the game.  We get this boring ass offense. 

WE have an All Pro center, an All Pro Guard and the other should be, we have an All Pro Tight End, A beast running back, good WRs and the reigning MVP and we have an offensive coordinator that has no clue on how to counteract a defense.

I jumped off the Shula bandwagon in 2014 and wanted him gone even though we saved the season and made the playoffs.  2015 we were fortunate enough to build up enough points in the first half that we overcame a couple of comebacks.   (Yes I reluctantly jump back on the bandwagon)  Right off the top of my head I can remember 4 (GB, Seattle, Indy, NYG)  games where we had a commanding lead and the other team came back only for Cam or our Defense save our ass.

We need an innovative mind in here.   Someone that can counteract what DC adjust to. 

[Darvinsun]

45 minutes ago, Snake said:

Well said and most average fans don't understand that. Hopefully we will address line issues in the off season. 

We see it but just like the opponents adjust you have too as well..its not like we got a bad line yesterday..its been se eral years..the teams aren't  doing anything that he has not seen before..he just does not know how to counterpucnch just throws str8 jabs like no one sees it coming...maybe he is thinking maybe the opponents will think i will adjust but i will out think them i am going to keep doing the same thing...game after game.

[Nate Dogg]

6 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I jumped off the Shula bandwagon in 2014 and wanted him gone even though we saved the season and made the playoffs.

Same here. Something needs to change. We will never win a super bowl with this coaching staff.

[Silent Majority]

10 hours ago, Snake said:

Well said and most average fans don't understand that. Hopefully we will address line issues in the off season. 

So how do you 'splain the opponents literally saying "we knew what was coming, they never adjusted".

[rippadonn]

23 minutes ago, stbugs said:

You and CRA really don't want to blame Shula for anything. Why the hell is Shula calling passes? We have a 14 point lead, 1st and 10 on the KC's 20 yard line, Alex Smith is the QB (he's had 1 3TD game, never a 3 TD quarter) and it's just about the end of the 3rd quarter. Why would you call a pass instead of running and ensuring that you can go into the 4th quarter with a 17 point lead and making KC have to score 2 TDs and a FG just to tie? You got the time consuming drive you wanted, but you waste it by not going up by 3 scores.

Not only did Shula have 1 chance to do the right thing, when it was 3rd and 18 at the 28, we were still in position to kick a 45 yard field goal. Most OCs would call a draw or screen to try and get a handful of yards to make it a shorter FG. What do we do? Call a deep drop and get a 12 yard sack resulting in our kicker having to try and make a great punt. Net result, no points and KC ball at the exact point where we started that series, their 20.

It's amazing to blame the protection when it was stupid to even pass at that point. Again, we did the same damn thing against Minnesota before the half. Instead of trying to stem the momentum and get half of the punt return score back, we decide to do two deep drop passes when we have the ball 2nd and 3 in FG range. What happens? Sack and then on 3rd and long, an INT and bam, momentum back on Minnesota's side since we dominated them and yet somehow only had a 2 point lead at half.

Stop acting like Shula has done well this year. He has some great players on offense, so sometimes Cam can make great plays or Olsen/KB make insane catches and we score. Problem is when he can't make those great plays, our OC has no idea what to do and tries to let Cam make more deep drops hoping to get some magic and we don't score at all.

I said Cam needs a new OC in another thread. 

Im not a Shula guy at all.

I blame it on lack of talent. Not wanting to spend enough or add accordingly to field a competitive squad. 

Sometimes the plays are changed at the line so at that point I don't know what Shula called.

I think somebody (like Norv) can improve and teach Cam the nuances, sharpen him, add on. It's gonna take somebody else besides Shula.

I don't think Ron is the problem though, not totally. He's a great defensive coach, that's for sure. He needs to be more Riverboat Ron than conservative Ron. He punted on a 4th and 1 instead riding the momentum the offense had built up. I knew they could get that one yard and Ron punts.

 

[gorillamilitia13]

13 hours ago, truthjuice said:

Coaching issue. 

Up by 10 with 30 minutes left? herp herp lets run out the clock and have our corners play 10 yards off the ball derp derp

[Snake]

12 hours ago, Darvinsun said:

We see it but just like the opponents adjust you have too as well..its not like we got a bad line yesterday..its been se eral years..the teams aren't  doing anything that he has not seen before..he just does not know how to counterpucnch just throws str8 jabs like no one sees it coming...maybe he is thinking maybe the opponents will think i will adjust but i will out think them i am going to keep doing the same thing...game after game.

Sometimes you have to face the fact no matter how much you scheme our oline really sucks. Like really bad... Honestly our Dline is not much better and that's both on Dave. He has money next year so no excuses moving forward . 

[Snake]

3 hours ago, Silent Majority said:

So how do you 'splain the opponents literally saying "we knew what was coming, they never adjusted".

Because we can't. When you have sub par players at key positions it limits what you can do. 

[Nate Dogg]

8 hours ago, Snake said:

Because we can't. When you have sub par players at key positions it limits what you can do. 

Talent is not the issue. We just set the record for most pro bowlers from 1 team lol.

Every team has sub par players at some positions.

[Mr. Scot]

9 hours ago, Snake said:

Because we can't. When you have sub par players at key positions it limits what you can do. 

Last week's roster had three backups on the offensive line.

But the team of whom that statement was made had a Super Bowl quality roster and produced the most pro bowlers in the NFL.

Coaching is most definitely an issue.

[Snake]

27 minutes ago, Nate Dogg said:

Talent is not the issue. We just set the record for most pro bowlers from 1 team lol.

Every team has sub par players at some positions.

Last year, and that was before the league exposed our scheme. If you think Mike Remmers is a pro bowl Tackle I can't help you. 

[Snake]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Last week's roster had three backups on the offensive line.

But the team of whom that statement was made had a Super Bowl quality roster and produced the most pro bowlers in the NFL.

Coaching is most definitely an issue.

How can you say coaching is a issue when you win 15 regular season games and blowout two playoff teams? This year not having two quality tackles has shown and we still can't run block. Only push comes from the inside and for 3 years straight we can't seal the edges. Scheme all you want but it comes down to one on one match ups. 

[Darvinsun]

23 hours ago, CRA said:

We don't actually run block well and our OL is so weak we have to scheme up heavily for our plays to work vs good defenses.  We can't line up man on man.

good defenses that can line up...simply take a half to see all the ways Shula is attempting to help our OL (because of talent issues) and counter

That may be true but we are not the only team with a poor offensive line..If the other team adjust then you adjust.  Shula is too slow to know what to do when adjustments have been made. i

You have a dual qb and you can't  plan around him not the line.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Snake said:

How can you say coaching is a issue when you win 15 regular season games and blowout two playoff teams? This year not having two quality tackles has shown and we still can't run block. Only push comes from the inside and for 3 years straight we can't seal the edges. Scheme all you want but it comes down to one on one match ups. 

Because coaching quality isn't something that just sits still.

Remember when Chip Kelly was going to revolutionize the league? It started off great but ultimately didn't happen because people adjusted to his schemes and he wasn't smart enough to counter those adjustments.

People have our coaches and our schemes figured out. Maybe our coaches can adjust, but so far I've seen no indication that it's true.