Time For a Complete Coaching Change?

[manu4t]

17 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ron shouldn't either.

The flaws we're seeing aren't new. They're the same things we've been seeing since Rivera started.

Rivera is probably the most likeable guy we've ever had in that spot, but he's just not a head coach.

I agree - and I am not advocating for him to get a pass - in fact I have thought last year was somewhat of a misnomer in his tenure here, but things being what they are in the NFL he probably bought himself a grace period of at least an extra year due to the run to the SB last year.  Not to mention we just signed him to a new extension (but it is a one year extension), and JR probably doesnt want to leave that money on the table, although we ate a lot more money on Hardy that we would on Rivera (I think it is 6mil a yr).  I have to imagine JR is laying down the heat today and Ron is feeling the wrath, as is the entire front office.

[Snake]

If there was only a way to eye roll in text.

[Darvinsun]

12 hours ago, panthersphan said:

You guys are crazy.

3 straight NFCS titles, trip to a Super Bowl. And a bad start the next season and everyone wants to can his ass.

Why? So we can get another regime in here to waste another 6 years and Cam and Luke's careers?

You gotta relax people, Ron has gotten us to SB just last year. I believe in him.


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1 of those nfc titles were by default. it is one to make it there but it is another to win the SB bc you are going up against the best of the best...when it comes down to having a good game plan with adjustments he just does not have it..when it comes to game winning situation decisions he is usually on the wroong side..Everything has to be perfect in order for this team to win and it should not be that way coaching should be able to put its player in the best position to win..calling the right plays with the right personel based on opponents. Too many times i have seen that not happen.

[Zaximus]

I think Rivera may need to go as well but you guys are forgetting that Richardson is the one who hired him.  He loves mediocre coaches like Rivera and Fox.  

Rivera is just too inconsistent and if we want to be a great team every year (not just good/meh/bad) we need a better staff.

Ron is a terrible game coach.  Can't manage the clock, doesn't seem to expect adjustments from his coordinators, etc.  It's probably time to move on.    I'd almost be OK with Gettleman and Rivera gone because how do these guys take a 15-1 team from last year and come out with this?  

Shula is terrible, but how doesn't Ron see this?  The telegraphed plays are just too common.   No, the smoke screen doesn't throw them off anymore and no the end-around isn't going to surprise them.  

[truthjuice]

We've been out coached way too much. Coaching->talent->execution. Even last year, Ron was okay. 

[Mojo]

I think for Cam to reach his full potential he needs a better leader.  It's that simple. 

Cam is young, exuberant and exciting.  Rivera is a polar opposite.  I know last year was great but we need a coach who is a bit more in line with potentially one of the greatest football players of all time.  With Rivera, we will have a few good seasons here and there, but if we want lasting success we need to move on from his sideline personality and old world ideology.  

I think somehow we need to find a guy who is a bit more like Cam personality wise and really utilizes his once in a generation talent.  In my opinion that's when things will really take off.  Wouldn't it be nice not to clench your butthole every game?  Not holding my breath, we all know how things work round these parts.  

[tiger7_88]

10 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

Shula is terrible, but how doesn't Ron see this?

Because Shula is doing exactly what Ron wants and is comfortable with.

Don't understand why people don't get this.  Ron is the Head Coach.  If he wanted Shula to do things differently, then Shula would either do things differently or be fired.

The fact that he's doing the SAME OL SH** here in his 4th year as OC means one thing:  He is doing what the Head Coach wants.

[Doc Holiday]

as someone who's memory goes back further then last season. honestly don't see a reason for a coaching change, shula didn't make Cam throw that INT, and the defense has improved immensely since the Bye.  and the Offense overall has been top 5-10 in the league in every category its just the turnovers and sloppy plays that kill us.

if cam just eats that sack yesterday instead of throwing that pass at god knows what we win yesterday simple as that.

[Mr. Scot]

24 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

I think Rivera may need to go as well but you guys are forgetting that Richardson is the one who hired him.  He loves mediocre coaches like Rivera and Fox.  

Rivera is just too inconsistent and if we want to be a great team every year (not just good/meh/bad) we need a better staff.

Ron is a terrible game coach.  Can't manage the clock, doesn't seem to expect adjustments from his coordinators, etc.  It's probably time to move on.    I'd almost be OK with Gettleman and Rivera gone because how do these guys take a 15-1 team from last year and come out with this?  

Shula is terrible, but how doesn't Ron see this?  The telegraphed plays are just too common.   No, the smoke screen doesn't throw them off anymore and no the end-around isn't going to surprise them.  

Hurney hired Rivera. Richardson just signed off on it.

When it came time to search for a new GM, Richardson basically deferred to Ernie Accorsi.  If we have to get a new coach, then I don't doubt he'll defer to the GM.

All that said, I'm not convinced Rivera will be fired.

And Ron doesn't see what's going on because while he's a good DC, his personnel evaluation skills - whether it be for players or coaches - are terrible.

[rippadonn]

Ron isn't a bad coach. He is too conservative at times and doesn't understand momentum. He had a 4th and 1 that he punted on when the offense was on fire. Players love it when you keep the foot on the gas and trust them to get that yard. The defense was playing great at that moment.

Ron needs Norv Turner, that way he can focus on what he does best. They know each other so if I were him I'd feel him out, see if he wants to come back to the NFL. Norv with Cam would be amazing and help Cam to the next level.

[jtm]

RR and Shula aren't the problem. This team isn't executing.

It isn't their fault that Cam threw and awful pick 6 and Benjamin's fumble. Also isn't their fault that the OL forgot to block two plays in a row that took us out of FG range.


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[tiger7_88]

3 minutes ago, jtm said:

RR and Shula aren't the problem. This team isn't executing.

It isn't their fault that Cam threw and awful pick 6 and Benjamin's fumble. Also isn't their fault that the OL forgot to block two plays in a row that took us out of FG range.


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Golly, who needs coaches then?  The team could just save the money!

Just send the players out on the field and tell them to "execute"!  If they "execute" appropriately, we win!

[jtm]

4 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Golly, who needs coaches then?  The team could just save the money!

Just send the players out on the field and tell them to "execute"!  If they "execute" appropriately, we win!

I'm not saying RR and Shula don't deserve some blame, but they aren't the problem.  This season can be summarized in 3 plays that didn't go our way and these plays went in our favor last year:  Gano missed FG against Denver, Anderson awful pic against Tampa (when it was 1st and goal on 1 yard line), Cam's awful pick 6 yesterday and then team forgot to tackle.  These 3 plays go our way, this team is 6-3 and we aren't having this conversation.  

[Crazydounut]

Fire Shula. Tell Mr. Missed opportunities to grab his nuts and man up. Lead this goddang team to sucess. If he doesn't want to fire his ass too.  Have Gettleman on the hot seat if we struggle next year. Cut Remmers, Tolbert, and Ginn. Draft a damn OT and a damn DE. We are set