Report claims NFL officials don’t view Cam Newton as ‘real quarterback’

[Floppin]

The "I don't feel this way but I can understand why people do" type of argument is nothing more than an admission that you do feel that way. Otherwise you would speak out about the fact that's it's complete bs, but you don't so.....

[Marguide]

There are different standards for QB's compared to other positions, like LB, in the minds of many.

QB's have been predominantly white in a league that is predominantly black. 

So just because a WR or LB is treated "fairly" by refs or fans, that isn't relevant because those positions have been largely manned by black players for many years.

Deion Sanders was viewed as a "colorful character" while Cam is viewed as "obnoxious", even though their behavior is/was similar.

[Panthers8969]

On November 3, 2016 at 5:39 PM, TheRed said:

Interesting how everywhere you look people are wondering why Cam (not Ron Rivera) has to be the one to speak up, and basically call out the refs for something to finally get done.

With this in mind, I'm thinking a little bit more about what Steve Smith said about Rivera hiding out in his office when he was released.

For all the talk about Ron being a players coach, it makes you wonder.

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[RickyManningJr]

4 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Soooooooooo... you're admitting its because Cam is a BLACK quarterback?

Thank you for agreeing.

Is Thomas Davis white? I dont get it....even Beason said Cam needs to man up.

[tiger7_88]

3 minutes ago, RickyManningJr said:

Is Thomas Davis white? I dont get it....even Beason said Cam needs to man up.

Beason came from the U.

The most celebratingest, arrogant program of the 1980's through the 2000's.

I'm thinking Beason shouldn't be considered a serious critic of Cam Newton on that basis alone.

[BlueBallerz]

Who cares about Cam's race? That has nothing to do with the fact that he is Jay Cutler who can run. 

[falconidae]

There may be a much simpler explanation that doesn't require racism and/or conspiracy. 

The refs suck. Leaguewide. The athletes are bigger, stronger faster than 15 years ago and the refs aren't. Hell, many of the refs are the same from 15 years ago.

As a falcons fan, I can give you a long list of late hits on Ryan that weren't called. Beasley gets tackled by OLinemen on a regular basis.  Falcons lost two games this year because of uncalled PI. I realize you guys don't care about that, just pointing out that every fan base has those plays.

Yeah, that hit below the knees on Cam was a horrible non call, I can find examples like that in pretty much every game. I just don't think it's deliberate so much as just general incompetence.

It may be the individual refs are racist or have a bias against Cam. But the only color the NFL owners see is green. They don't care that Cam is a black QB having success in the NFL, they just want to make money off of him. They can't do that if he's on the sideline.

Yes, they need to protect Cam more, but I think that it's a symptom of lousy officiating rather than a plot to get Cam.

 

[The Lobo]

48 minutes ago, falconidae said:

There may be a much simpler explanation that doesn't require racism and/or conspiracy. 

The refs suck. Leaguewide. The athletes are bigger, stronger faster than 15 years ago and the refs aren't. Hell, many of the refs are the same from 15 years ago.

As a falcons fan, I can give you a long list of late hits on Ryan that weren't called. Beasley gets tackled by OLinemen on a regular basis.  Falcons lost two games this year because of uncalled PI. I realize you guys don't care about that, just pointing out that every fan base has those plays.

Yeah, that hit below the knees on Cam was a horrible non call, I can find examples like that in pretty much every game. I just don't think it's deliberate so much as just general incompetence.

It may be the individual refs are racist or have a bias against Cam. But the only color the NFL owners see is green. They don't care that Cam is a black QB having success in the NFL, they just want to make money off of him. They can't do that if he's on the sideline.

Yes, they need to protect Cam more, but I think that it's a symptom of lousy officiating rather than a plot to get Cam.

 

That's fair, but did you not see the call ryan got against the pack? The one where the defender bumped into him a little bit after he threw the ball (happens every game to every team) and he didn't even get taken to the ground, nor did he get hit hard? He got the flag there, you think Cam would get that...I don't think so.

[TheRed]

They would have to dig pieces of Matt Ryan out of the turf if he ever took the kind of beating Newton did in Denver.

[ecu88]

On 11/3/2016 at 5:31 PM, E CaT PanTHer 2 said:

as i stated in an earlier post, i think the league is scared that Cam is finally developing into a perennial all pro pocket passer, and there's no way in hell you can have a black QB be a more effective pocket passer than the Lucks, Bradys, Mannings, and Rodgers of the football world, so the NFL decided not to protect Cam in the pocket hoping he'll become more of a runner, which essentially would fit the description of every other black QB in the league. 

look, lets face it. Cam's strength, size, mobility, arm, agility, and his ability to read defenses is something the league hasn't seen yet. The Culpeppers, Cunninghams, Mcnabbs, and Vicks don't match what Cam is capable of. The NFL is terrified by this, and therefore are bending their own rules so he's not equally protected like every other QB. The proof is in the pudding, and I don't think much is going to change going forward. 

 

So much truth^^^^^

Fug the refs and the league

[Darvinsun]

On 11/4/2016 at 8:50 AM, panthers55 said:

He is changing the game because of his size and running ability as well as passing, not because he is black and doing these things. The rules were put in place to protect qbs from bigger linemen to keep them from getting hurt. Cam is larger than just about anyone out there except for some DTs and a few DEs. I really think the bias is against his size and it wouldn't matter if he were red with orange stripes. After all there are more black players in the league versus white and he doesn't get the calls from black referees either. You can blame it on race if you want to but there are much better and simpler reasons he isn't getting the calls. Again I think they are unfair but then again life is surely unfair or I would be sitting in my mansion on the beach in Belize instead of taking a break from clients to post this.

I never said their weren't  other reasons ..i agree with you on that, but at the same time you can not totally dismiss race as a whole...Changing what was a dominant white position in americas game will bring out hidden feelings for some and some just speak it. Its a he is big strong and oh ya on top of that he is black.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Darvinsun said:

I never said their weren't  other reasons ..i agree with you on that, but at the same time you can not totally dismiss race as a whole...Changing what was a dominant white position in americas game will bring out hidden feelings for some and some just speak it. Its a he is big strong and oh ya on top of that he is black.

If he were Jackie Robinson or one of the firsts to play the position then what you say might be true, but we have had black quarterbacks for the last 30 years.  What he brings to the table is that he is big and can run as well as pocket pass not that he is black and can do all those things.  People who want to see race will continue to do so.  People who are prejudiced will also see what they want.  Some people may discriminate against him because he is black just like some may revere him and idolize him for the same reason.  I see him as my quarterback and dont care what he wears, says or looks like.  As long as he moves the offense and scores points, he will be my guy no matter what.

[GRWatcher]

http://car.247sports.com/Bolt/Rivera-expects-league-coaches-to-push-for-more-QB-protection-48869112

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"If we really do want to try and eliminate that, maybe the penalty has to be a little bit stiffer," Rivera said. "Maybe getting guys to understand if you do this - kind of like they do in the college game - they eject the players. ... It seems to help and I would like to believe it would help. If we do something to motivate these guys to lower their targets, maybe it'll help."

In college football, targeting is called when a player delivers a forceful blow to the head or neck area of a defenseless player. The officials can then review the play and wipe out the penalty entirely or confirm the penalty and eject the player.

"I think what we need to do is really take a look at what's going on and make sure we have the right system in place," Rivera said. "Again, this is not easy by any stretch of the imagination. A lot of it just the more awareness we have as a viewing public, as a league, as players, as fans. People are a lot more aware of the injury situations now. Everybody's pointing to certain things and it really is changing the game to a degree."

 

[GRWatcher]

http://car.247sports.com/Bolt/Former-NFL-ref-proposes-eighth-official-48863517

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Long-time head ref Gerry Austin believes the league needs an eighth official on the field responsible for solely what's happening to the quarterback, inside and outside the pocket, according to an interview with ESPN.

“A referee needs to have only one player to watch once the snap occurs, and that’s the quarterback," Austin said, via ESPN's David Newton. “All he watches is coverage of the quarterback.

“The eighth official has given college football better coverage of the game. That could help the National Football League, also."