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Panthers solid in kicking and kick returns, awful in punting and punt returns.

nctarheel0619

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Before my work life spun out of control and I actually had time and energy to do number crunching on Panthers stats, I had some nice stats about special teams...

At least through the 1st 3 weeks of the season, we were MUCH better on kick returns than punt returns.  We also seem to be better on kickoff return coverage of our opponents than punt return coverage.

As for punting, my impression and based on early stats, is that Andy Lee has been brilliant.  BUT our punt return coverage is weak. 

I haven't got time this am to look at the FO article cited in the OP.   Will try and look later.  So I don't know if it separates out our punting (Andy Lee) from the Punt return coverage.   One part of the equation (Lee) is amazing.  The other, very up and down and often a liability.

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That's an issue with our butter slippy defense. They don't tell the story of Andy's amazing way of pinning down players. Watch the games yourself, and the stats don't tell the whole story. Another worthless thread by another one of you pathetic trolls.

TL;DR: This thread is poo, and so are you.

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1 hour ago, nctarheel0619 said:

The analytics in FO say otherwise......so.......

Punting is about field position, and their article specifically says that points for their system are assigned to each yard line that measure how much an opponent's score is 'worth' after starting a drive from said yard line. 

This means that the metric is largely derived from the scoreboard advantage that Carolina gains by punting well, e.g. pinning the opposition deep. Since Carolina's defense has stopped no one in that situation - a fact already mentioned several times - the stat shows that Carolina's ability to pin teams deep is worth less than an average punt because teams are scoring TDs even when pinned at their own goal line, rendering no punting advantage whatsoever.

This is 100% on the defense since they are the ones giving up the points. Your assertion that the punting game is failing is 100% incorrect. If you're going to weasel around that fact and claim that trading for Lee was the wrong move and this metric supports that then fine. This metric absolutely does not support that trading for Lee was a bad move in and of itself - it supports that the move has been rendered ineffective by a JV defense. Your title is misleading and inaccurate.

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I don't believe the op understood what the link was presenting and how. Ithink does nothing to separate the punter from the punt coverage. I think he was trying to say punt return was punt coverage.....no idea really but it doesn't say what he is trying to extract from it.

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Early in the season, Inside the Pylon had two very nice articles on punters and punting stats, and how to effectively evaluate punters based on field position...  Highly recommended for those who care about special teams stats and how to accurately assess punters' performance:

http://insidethepylon.com/film-study/film-study-nfl/special-teams-film-study-nfl/2016/09/16/punting-statistics-can-lie/

http://insidethepylon.com/film-study/film-study-nfl/special-teams-film-study-nfl/2016/09/23/never-early-2016-punting-trends/

That analysis of early 2016 punting trends (which had Andy Lee ranked #4 in the league, if I recall correctly) was from week 3, I think.  I don't know if they've done an updated analysis...  I've not been spending much time on reading NFL stuff lately.

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Andy Lee can kick the ball into South Carolina again and again (and I believe he can just about do that), but if we can't tackle then it doesn't matter. If he continually drops the ball right inside the 5 yard line, that's great, unless our defense lets the other team march all the way down the field.

Right now, we'd be pretty good if we could tackle. 

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