Butler and Bradberry could be out on Sunday

[The_Rainmaker]

1 minute ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Everyone is different. Bradberry says it is feeling better every day. So hope for the best. Bad news is 2 of our division foes play on artificial turf, which is said to be the cause of it. May nag him is entire career. 

Looked it up hopefully it's just grade 1 espicially if had a chance to play this week.

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Percentage of cases among football players in which turf toe was caused by hyperextension, or bending the big toe backward (American Journal of Sports Medicine).

Who’s At Risk for Turf Toe?

This injury is more likely to be associated with the activity rather than with the surface, and football players (especially linemen) head the high risk group. A study conducted among football players at the University of Arkansas reported six cases during one academic year. At Rice University, there was an average of four-and-a-half cases per year among all athletes over a 14-year period. Turf toe can happen in any sport, but basketball, soccer, volleyball, and rugby include more of the movements that might result in the injury. Athletes who have sustained a turf toe injury are more susceptible to similar injuries in the future.

Symptoms

• Grade 1: Mild sprain, localized pain, little swelling or bruising
• Grade 2: Possible popping sound when the injury occurs; tenderness, moderate swelling, bruising, and loss of motion; partial tear of the capsule and ligaments; no injury to the joint surface
• Grade 3: Significant swelling, bruising, and loss of motion; complete tear of the capsule and ligaments; possible dislocation

Initial Treatment

• Rest (immobilization)
• Ice applications for 15-20 minutes, several times a day
• Elevation (to reduce swelling) 2-3 hours a day and at night, if possible
• Anti-inflammatory drugs (aspirin, acetaminophen, ibuprofen, naproxen) to control pain and inflammation

Comeback Strategy

“All too frequently, return to athletics is rushed, the injury is not completely healed, and the athlete suffers with a chronic condition as a result,” says Dr. Ramin Modabber, MD, Santa Monica Orthopaedic and Sports Medicine Group. “Return to sports that involve running on hard surfaces should be assessed very carefully. In first-time or minor injuries, 3-4 weeks may be adequate rest. However, in severe or chronic conditions, activity modification may be required for 2-3 times as long. In extreme cases where bone spurs are present and range of motion of the joint are limited, surgical management may be considered as well.”

Dr. Modabber says that Grade 1 big toe sprains (turf toe) are manageable and may not prevent a quick return to action in two or three days, if not sooner. Grade 2 sprains may prevent playing time from one day to two weeks, and Grade 3 sprains could keep a person out of action 3-6 weeks; longer if surgery is required.

• When you begin exercising again, limit the movement of your big toe—wrap it with tape or an elastic wrap to restrict bending (hyperextending)
• Wear shoes with stiff insoles that do not force the toe to bend with every step
• Start an exercise program to enhance strength and improve flexibility

Prehab

Incorporate these prehab exercises into your comeback workouts:

1. Short Foot [sit in a chair with your foot flat on the ground; lift the arch of your foot up, without curling your toes or rolling your foot to the outside; hold this arch for five seconds and release; repeat until fatigued]
2. Tennis Ball Massage [place a tennis ball on the floor while you are sitting down; place your foot on the ball and roll back and forth; [you may feel some tender spots; stay on these tender spots as tolerated; perform for 3-5 minutes, 1-2 times per day.
3. Toe Spreading; sit in a chair with your foot flat on the floor; actively spread your toes apart and then release; repeat 10-15 times, 1-2 times per day.

How to Avoid This Injury

• You may not be able to completely protect yourself against turf toe, but the goal is not to jam the big toe into a hard surface.
• Wear shoes that fit properly and have soles rigid enough to protect the joint at the base of the big toe.
• When possible, avoid playing or practicing on poorly maintained playing fields.

Movement Prep

Incorporate these movement prep exercises into your warm-up routine:

1. Inverted Hamstring Stretch 
2. Toe Walks

Jim Brown, Ph.D. has written 14 books on health, medicine, and sports. His articles have appeared in the Washington Post, New York Post, Sports Illustrated for Women and Better Homes & Gardens. He also writes for the Duke School of Medicine, UCLA School of Medicine, Cleveland Clinic and Steadman-Hawkins Research Foundation.

 

[csx]

5 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

So the sense I'm getting is that  Bradberry's career could be over before it begins? 

Why do you get that sense? Moose was best after it. Are you past you optimism phase and back to being as pessimistic as possible ?

[The_Rainmaker]

32 minutes ago, csx said:

Why do you get that sense? Moose was best after it. Are you past you optimism phase and back to being as pessimistic as possible ?

haha dude i'm pessimistic maybe 1% of the time but the sense was reading from previous posts. I did some research and now I am enlightened.

[Nick_81]

36 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

So the sense I'm getting is that  Bradberry's career could be over before it begins? 

Too early to sense that, but it's definitely a possibility.  Bradberry said it's feeling better every day, so that's good news.  Absolutely don't want to put him out there too early though.  It needs to be healed.

[The_Rainmaker]

Just now, Nick_81 said:

Too early to sense that, but it's definitely a possibility.  Bradberry said it's feeling better every day, so that's good news.  Absolutely don't want to put him out there too early though.  It needs to be healed.

Grade 1: Mild sprain, localized pain, little swelling or bruising

I think this might be his severity so its good news!

[CRA]

15 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

Grade 1: Mild sprain, localized pain, little swelling or bruising

I think this might be his severity so its good news!

Issue with turf toe is reaggravating it over and over.  Generally you don't get turf toe and sit out for 4 weeks and it becomes a nonissue.  I would suspect at least his season, it will be something he plays with to some degree (which simply happens in the NFL)

[The_Rainmaker]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

Issue with turf toe is reaggravating it over and over.  Generally you don't get turf toe and sit out for 4 weeks and it becomes a nonissue.  I would suspect at least his season, it will be something he plays with to some degree (which simply happens in the NFL)

I see, maybe they have some form of sleeve or taping method that can lower the chances of re-aggravating it. The best case scenario is that the its stretch of the ligament vs any form of tear.

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• A sprain is a stretch or tear in a ligament (the bands of fibrous tissue that connect our bones at the joints).
• A strain is also a stretch or tear, this time affecting the muscle itself or a tendon (the tissue that connect the muscles to the bones).

 

[Nate Dogg]

If he's not recovered fully then why the fug are they having him practice and risking a set back? It's gonna be even more of a blow to the team if he trots out there for a couple of series then leaves the game. Just shut him down completely for a while.

[CPantherKing]

7 hours ago, The_Rainmaker said:

 

But if they let it heal will he  be back to 99% or is this a injury that can't be repaired/healed? 

This is a chronic injury. He will re injure it again and again. Each time it will cause his performance to decline. He will be shelved 3 to 6 weeks the first couple recurrences, and then he could be out an entire year if they decided he needs surgery.

CBs need to be able to pivot, drive, and backpedal backwards as fast as a receiver going forwards. That toe is a major problem and opponents will attack it every game.

50% of athletes will deal with turf toe complications for the next 5 years.

It appears he has a grade 3 turf toe injury, which is the worst. Bradberry's chance at a full recovery is as likely as the Panthers going back to the SB this season.

I expect him to see little to no practice time this season. If he does play in a game again this season and re injures it, then he likely gets surgery. At the least, I see him getting surgery in the off season due to the team's investment in him. Returning to form at CB is highly unlikely after surgery. This move is typical of desperation by the front office to get some kind of return from their draft pick.

[Nate Dogg]

3 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

It appears he has a grade 3 turf toe injury, which is the worst. Bradberry's chance at a full recovery is as likely as the Panthers going back to the SB this season.

[The_Rainmaker]

12 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

This is a chronic injury. He will re injure it again and again. Each time it will cause his performance to decline. He will be shelved 3 to 6 weeks the first couple recurrences, and then he could be out an entire year if they decided he needs surgery.

CBs need to be able to pivot, drive, and backpedal backwards as fast as a receiver going forwards. That toe is a major problem and opponents will attack it every game.

50% of athletes will deal with turf toe complications for the next 5 years.

It appears he has a grade 3 turf toe injury, which is the worst. Bradberry's chance at a full recovery is as likely as the Panthers going back to the SB this season.

I expect him to see little to no practice time this season. If he does play in a game again this season and re injures it, then he likely gets surgery. At the least, I see him getting surgery in the off season due to the team's investment in him. Returning to form at CB is highly unlikely after surgery. This move is typical of desperation by the front office to get some kind of return from their draft pick.

Well we both don't know for a fact the severity of the injury. IMO it's grade 1  with stretch since he was able to practice in such a short time. If it's just a stretch of the ligaments with out any kind of tear then chronic part would be limited since the ligaments are intact  99 % and if he gets proper treatment to heal then it would be a minor issue with the help of taping and sleeves to protect the ligaments from "over stretching" Keep Pounding!!!

 

see that's a better spin.

[iamhubby1]

16 minutes ago, Nate Dogg said:

If he's not recovered fully then why the fug are they having him practice and risking a set back? It's gonna be even more of a blow to the team if he trots out there for a couple of series then leaves the game. Just shut him down completely for a while.

 

What they will do is practice him today, and then tomorrow they will asses how he reacts. It is the day after practice that tells them how he is doing. So if he feels good tomorrow, after practicing today, he is getting closer to seeing the field. Or, if he has a set-back tomorrow, they will slow their roll a bit. Let him heal a little more, then start the evaluation all over again.

 

He probably won't see the field until he is having little to no effects from practices. However long that takes.  

 

 

[csx]

Clearly he has the worst type of turf toe despite coming back to practice already and being game time.

Seriously, just shut the fug up.

[CRA]

36 minutes ago, csx said:

Clearly he has the worst type of turf toe despite coming back to practice already and being game time.

Seriously, just shut the fug up.

Dudes practice and play with turf toe.  It doesn't prohibit that from occurring.  It is generally considered a nagging/painful injury that creates issues for a player.

him practicing and playing won't mean the toe isn't an issue.  Hopefully it will be one that doesn't impact him much.  Dudes have had great seasons playing through the pain of it