Buccaneers willing to trade much-needed CB for WR

[iamhubby1]

16 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

They probably would be, or even better higher a better GM

 

Yeah, cuz, you know, great GMs are a dime a dozen. Right?

 

JR did hire a consultant when he hired Gman. Obviously, he though he made the right choice. I am sure we are not going to lose our GM any time soon. Unless he backs up this year with another stinker next year. But c'mon man.

 

Sure this year hurts. But, it is still young. We still have 10 games left. So let's let it play out before we start cleaning house?

 

So answer me this. What happens if we get on a roll, finish 9-7, but miss the playoffs? Would you feel better going into the off season? Or would you still want Gman replaced?

[GoobyPls]

5 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Yeah, cuz, you know, great GMs are a dime a dozen. Right?

 

JR did hire a consultant when he hired Gman. Obviously, he though he made the right choice. I am sure we are not going to lose our GM any time soon. Unless he backs up this year with another stinker next year. But c'mon man.

 

Sure this year hurts. But, it is still young. We still have 10 games left. So let's let it play out before we start cleaning house?

 

So answer me this. What happens if we get on a roll, finish 9-7, but miss the playoffs? Would you feel better going into the off season? Or would you still want Gman replaced?

We don't need a great GM, we need a competent one. Something Gettleman isn't

 

If we do go 9-7 it would be on the back of Cam and nothing to do with Gettleman, just like last year. It was so obvious a blind man can see we had MAJOR deficiencies on last seasons team, but Cam masked them all with his brilliance. Instead of fixing those deficiencies DG sat on his ass and did nothing. If it was up to me I would want Gettleman gone today. And this whole "we are young" can be used as an excuse every single season, so I'm not buying it.  Matter of fact we are the third oldest team in the NFL.....

 

Either way I can see this ending up the same way as Peyton/Polian. Peyton made Polian look like genius, the second Peyton left the Colts he had the three best seasons of his life. All those years the Colts anPolian held back Peyton

[iamhubby1]

24 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

We don't need a great GM, we need a competent one. Something Gettleman isn't

 

If we do go 9-7 it would be on the back of Cam and nothing to do with Gettleman, just like last year. It was so obvious a blind man can see we had MAJOR deficiencies on last seasons team, but Cam masked them all with his brilliance. Instead of fixing those deficiencies DG sat on his ass and did nothing. If it was up to me I would want Gettleman gone today. And this whole "we are young" can be used as an excuse every single season, so I'm not buying it.  Matter of fact we are the third oldest team in the NFL.....

 

Either way I can see this ending up the same way as Peyton/Polian. Peyton made Polian look like genius, the second Peyton left the Colts he had the three best seasons of his life. All those years the Colts anPolian held back Peyton

 

I feel your pain. I really do. Hellz, 95% of Panther Nation feel it too. But c'mon man.

 

If we win, it's all Cam?

 

We had a top 5 Offense and Defense last year. We may have had positions that weren't as stacked as others. But you can't be that good, and have deficiencies.

 

I'll give you that Gman has had a rough time of it lately. But without knowing his plan. Can one definitively say one way or the other, that he messed it up? What is that saying? "The best laid plans...".

 

We were older last year. We got much younger this year. Those kids need to be evaluated. Excuse or not. It is a fact. IMO, the lone bright spot in this season? Watching the kids.

 

I let you out of here on this; Rivera, and Gman are two peas in a pod. Barring something drastic. I could see them being together for a long time. I know you ain't gon like that one bit.

[GoobyPls]

49 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

I feel your pain. I really do. Hellz, 95% of Panther Nation feel it too. But c'mon man.

 

If we win, it's all Cam?

 

We had a top 5 Offense and Defense last year. We may have had positions that weren't as stacked as others. But you can't be that good, and have deficiencies.

 

I'll give you that Gman has had a rough time of it lately. But without knowing his plan. Can one definitively say one way or the other, that he messed it up? What is that saying? "The best laid plans...".

 

We were older last year. We got much younger this year. Those kids need to be evaluated. Excuse or not. It is a fact. IMO, the lone bright spot in this season? Watching the kids.

 

I let you out of here on this; Rivera, and Gman are two peas in a pod. Barring something drastic. I could see them being together for a long time. I know you ain't gon like that one bit.

If win with mainly offense than yes its mostly Cam.

 

We had a gigantic lack of talent last season, why do you think many analyst and experts didn't buy into us even when were 10-0. They didn't believe Cam could carry us to the SB with this roster.

 

This article pretty much breaks it down

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/10/11/13241004/carolina-panthers-riverboat-ron-losing-team-super-bowl-bets

So his plan was to go 1-5? This whole future talk is ridiculous we are not a rebuilding team, we are the third oldest team in the NFL with a QB ready to win now. For all we know Cam gets injured tomorrow than the future looks a lot more bleak.

 

Like I already stated Cam might be facing a Peyton situation. We will never learn what we really have until he's gone. Polian being Gettleman getting under deserved credit.

 

[iamhubby1]

2 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

If win with mainly offense than yes its mostly Cam.

 

We had a gigantic lack of talent last season, why do you think many analyst and experts didn't buy into us even when were 10-0. They didn't believe Cam could carry us to the SB with this roster.

 

This article pretty much breaks it down

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/10/11/13241004/carolina-panthers-riverboat-ron-losing-team-super-bowl-bets

So his plan was to go 1-5? This whole future talk is ridiculous we are not a rebuilding team, we are the third oldest team in the NFL with a QB ready to win now. For all we know Cam gets injured tomorrow than the future looks a lot more bleak.

 

Like I already stated Cam might be facing a Peyton situation. We will never learn what we really have until he's gone. Polian being Gettleman getting under deserved credit.

 

 

Why do you have to dismiss the talent we had last year? "A gigantic lack of talent" you said. And yet we went 17-2. Something doesn't add up there. You don't do what we did, without talent.

 

Nobody plans on going 1-5. Don't kid yourself. Gman, and Rivera want to win every game. Just like the players. Just like every other member of the Organization. Just because their plan didn't work, does not mean we are rebuilding. If everything works out, by the end of the year, Gman, and Ron will know exactly where our weaknesses lie.

 

We will evaluate, and retool. And come back even stronger for it. The future is still bright. Don't let you fear guide your emotions. Stand up to your fears and believe.

 

Stop comparing Cams situation to Peytons'. It is speculation, and will only eat at your soul.

[GoobyPls]

4 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Why do you have to dismiss the talent we had last year? "A gigantic lack of talent" you said. And yet we went 17-2. Something doesn't add up there. You don't do what we did, without talent.

 

Nobody plans on going 1-5. Don't kid yourself. Gman, and Rivera want to win every game. Just like the players. Just like every other member of the Organization. Just because their plan didn't work, does not mean we are rebuilding. If everything works out, by the end of the year, Gman, and Ron will know exactly where our weaknesses lie.

 

We will evaluate, and retool. And come back even stronger for it. The future is still bright. Don't let you fear guide your emotions. Stand up to your fears and believe.

 

Stop comparing Cams situation to Peytons'. It is speculation, and will only eat at your soul.

Its called having a one in a life time talent at QB and riding momentum. a perennial 4th string receiver was our number 1 last season, that's not talent. We had patchwork O-line, that's not talent. Our starting rb averaged 4 ypc, that's not talent.

 

Did you even read the article?

 

I will never give up on this team as long as we have guys like Cam, Greg, TD, Luke (Hurney guys). That doesn't mean I can't call a spade a spade and Gettleman is that spade. I don't like megalomaniacs messing with my team

 

Comparing Cam with Peyton is so obvious you don't want to believe it,

[iamhubby1]

2 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Its called having a one in a life time talent at QB and riding momentum. a perennial 4th string receiver was our number 1 last season, that's not talent. We had patchwork O-line, that's not talent. Our starting rb averaged 4 ypc, that's not talent.

 

Did you even read the article?

 

I will never give up on this team as long as we have guys like Cam, Greg, TD, Luke (Hurney guys). That doesn't mean I can't call a spade a spade and Gettleman is that spade. I don't like megalomaniacs messing with my team

 

Comparing Cam with Peyton is so obvious you don't want to believe it,

 

Dude, come on. Olsen was our #1 last year. And behind him we had role players. Ginn to stretch the field, Philly to run out of the slot, with Cotch, and Fun Fun they performed admirably. Just because we didn't have any Pro Bowler, does not mean the season was not a success.

 

Cam was sacked the least amount of his career last year. We ran the ball effectively, we passed the ball effectively. Sounds to me like our Oline did their job.

 

Now is comparing guys who have been in the league, to guys with 4 or less years of experience really fair? Gman has brought in some good talent. Maybe we can, you know, like, give them a couple of years to prove themselves? I mean, to me, that sounds more than fair.

 

Megalomaniac? So you have not only hammered the nail in the coffin, but you have already placed in the ground, and are pouring the dirt over it? And he has an ego?

 

IMO, his good far out weighs his bad. And I am willing to see where this thing goes before I start handing out pink slips. But that is just me.

[GoobyPls]

2 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Dude, come on. Olsen was our #1 last year. And behind him we had role players. Ginn to stretch the field, Philly to run out of the slot, with Cotch, and Fun Fun they performed admirably. Just because we didn't have any Pro Bowler, does not mean the season was not a success.

 

Cam was sacked the least amount of his career last year. We ran the ball effectively, we passed the ball effectively. Sounds to me like our Oline did their job.

 

Now is comparing guys who have been in the league, to guys with 4 or less years of experience really fair? Gman has brought in some good talent. Maybe we can, you know, like, give them a couple of years to prove themselves? I mean, to me, that sounds more than fair.

 

Megalomaniac? So you have not only hammered the nail in the coffin, but you have already placed in the ground, and are pouring the dirt over it? And he has an ego?

 

IMO, his good far out weighs his bad. And I am willing to see where this thing goes before I start handing out pink slips. But that is just me.

Olsen is not a WR. You keep proving my point, your subliminally agreeing with me. Our receivers weren't good and you know it. They also have very low ceilings. Nobody has even signed Cotchery and he was second in snaps last season.

 

You keep avoiding the article I see.

 

Talent doesn't take time to show itself. See Cam or Luke

 

Gettleman doesn't have an ego now? Is Gettleman paying you? Are you related to him?

 

Well that's not me, I've seen enough. I want a Elway not a Gettleman. Go getters get things done, people like DG let the world pass them by

[top dawg]

@GoobyPls, you said "talent doesn't take time to show itself," but you talk bad about Funchess when he showed obvious talent last year. You are outright denying his talent.

@iamhubby1, sure, I think the jury is still out on Gettleman, but I can't say just yet that "his good far outweighs his bad." He is an astute budget fixer, but as for an actual team builder and puzzle solver, I don't know. 

[GoobyPls]

48 minutes ago, top dawg said:

@GoobyPls, you said "talent doesn't take time to show itself," but you talk bad about Funchess when he showed obvious talent last year. You are outright denying his talent.

@iamhubby1, sure, I think the jury is still out on Gettleman, but I can't say just yet that "his good far outweighs his bad." He is an astute budget fixer, but as for an actual team builder and puzzle solver, I don't know. 

400 yards is good? For a receiver playing with the MVP of the league? And what about this year? Were you this encouraged with Dwayne Jarrett? To this point Funchess is a bigger Lafell

Someone like Will Fuller I can see it already see in his rookie season that he has talent. in spite of his QB 

[top dawg]

7 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

400 yards is good? For a receiver playing with the MVP of the league? And what about this year? Were you this encouraged with Dwayne Jarrett? To this point Funchess is a bigger Lafell

Someone like Will Fuller I can see it already see in his rookie season that he has talent. in spite of his QB 

Comparing any receiver to Jarrett is a supreme insult, and a waste of time. 

You should be asking yourself why Ginn is getting so outclassed by Will Fuller since they supposedly play a similar role on their respective teams, not comparing Fuller to Funchess. Fuller is getting way more playing time in his rookie year because of circumstance.

You just don't want to even acknowledge differences in situations, but that's fine.

[top dawg]

13 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

400 yards is good? For a receiver playing with the MVP of the league? And what about this year? Were you this encouraged with Dwayne Jarrett? To this point Funchess is a bigger Lafell

Someone like Will Fuller I can see it already see in his rookie season that he has talent. in spite of his QB 

And, oh yeah, you mean the same LaFell that went up to Foxborough, played with the GOAT, put up good numbers, and played a part in winning a ring? Situations and QBs do make a difference, just ask A-Rob, D-Hop, or Torrey Smith.

[GoobyPls]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Comparing any receiver to Jarrett is a supreme insult, and a waste of time. 

You should be asking yourself why Ginn is getting so outclassed by Will Fuller since they supposedly play a similar role on their respective teams, not comparing Fuller to Funchess. Fuller is getting way more playing time in his rookie year because of circumstance.

You just don't want to even acknowledge differences in situations, but that's fine.

Cause Fuller is better than Ginn. I'm not afraid to admit that. Fuller is also better than Funchess. Fuller was able to beat out Jalen Strong his rookie year, Funchess couldn't beat out Cotchery or Philly his rookie season. Through 7 games Fuller already has 350 yards and 2 TD with arguably the worst starting QB in the NFL. That's more than what Funchess has now playing with a elite QB. Keep in mind Fuller has been dealing with a hamstring injury.  

[GoobyPls]

8 minutes ago, top dawg said:

And, oh yeah, you mean the same LaFell that went up to Foxborough, played with the GOAT, put up good numbers, and played a part in winning a ring? Situations and QBs do make a difference, just ask A-Rob, D-Hop, or Torrey Smith.

You forgot to mention after NE got caught with deflated footballs Lafell's hands went back to sh*t and ended up getting cut.

 

You just mentioned 3 receivers who have had 1000 yard seasons with sub par QBs, meanwhile Funchess is on pace for a whopping 300 yards with a MVP QB.