TWD Season 7

[CRA]

52 minutes ago, pstall said:

I may pull a Dale for the season finale. Im not wasting another 45 mins afterwards. 

there will probably be a guaranteed Negan monologue..where he goes full Negan.   I would imagine we get tons of Negan based on him claiming there was tons of work to tomorrow when talking to Sasha about Rick and company acting up per his birdies.

[RealBitsOfPanther]

My wife and I haven't watched the past two episodes as we have been moving and I can say I don't really miss this show. Lol. Might finish the season at some point. 

[lightsout]

I thought this was one of the better episodes this season. Solid little cliffhanger to end on to lead into the season finale. I just hope the pacing keeps next week and we get something worthy of coming back to. 

[Jangler]

This show is torture to watch now. So bored. Always introducing new characters to do nothing. Fyck your character building, 7 season you should be moving towards something. Other than getting another season.....bored bored bored

[CRA]

53 minutes ago, Jangler said:

This show is torture to watch now. So bored. Always introducing new characters to do nothing. Fyck your character building, 7 season you should be moving towards something. Other than getting another season.....bored bored bored

What is wrong is simple.  Pace of working through the source material.  Based on what they are doing and what Kirkman projects for his story it works out to about 20 seasons.  That doesn't work for TV unless it is a daytime soap.  Night viewers eventually always want closure not painfully long nothingness. 

 

[lightsout]

I think next season should be half season of the war, resolve it at the midseason finale, then time jump that poo like the comics did and work on the next arc. You can get to a really good spot by the season 8 finale, and then you use season 9 to wrap the show up. At this point, it just makes sense so you don't water down the show.

[Cary Kollins]

I thought this last episode was a bright spot in an otherwise fledgling season. Looking forward to this disappointing season finally being over.

[Bronn]

I finally was able to watch it last night.

I thought it was a good episode.

The trouble is that it has only been about the second or third good episode out of the second half 8 of this season.

I like show Negan almost as much as the comic one, and I know that probably puts me in a minority, but I think JDM does a fantastic job.

Also, show Eugene is easily one of my favorite characters at this point. Comic Eugene was/is kind of boring at times.

This episode showed what I've been saying all along though, that Rick and Negan are rooted in the same character. Rick is more supported by the individuals in his group, while Negan is more the totalitarian. Rick is more moral-majority and Negan is more "I make the rules, and you better follow them." But at their base, they are exactly the same. They are just dudes trying to survive a zombie apocalypse the best way they know how, and they are trying to make the world work again.

I can go ahead and spoil most of the finale, I think, if you want to be spoiled. It sounds pretty epic and intense.

The following things are supposed to happen:

There are lots of flashbacks involving Abraham and Sasha this episode.

Negan tries to convince Sasha some more, over pancakes. He tells her that he'll kill three people from ASZ for Rick's transgressions, but Sasha convinces him to only kill one. She gets loaded into a coffin for the trip there, and is given an iPod by Eugene to make the trip more comfortable and allow her to rest.

Dwight pleads with Rick and co. to help him get rid of Negan. He warns them that Negan is going to be there soon with trucks and only about 20 guys. Daryl almost kills Dwight in his cell, at the encouragement of Tara, but he finally restrains himself.

Jadis and crew show up to ASZ for the guns and to await the Saviors' arrival.

The Kingdom crew is inbound, and we get a motivational scene where Morgan is borderline Clear territory (he's setup the carts like Richard did to block the Kingdom folk's path,) and Ezekiel talks him into helping in the fight. Morgan falls in line with a Carol led Kingdom group apparently heading to ASZ.

Negan's crew arrives at ASZ and Eugene is using a megaphone telling them to open the doors, etc. Rick's group tries to set off some explosives but it fails. Jadis' crew immediately turns their guns on Rick's group, as they double cross them. Jadis says "we win" and Rick realizes it is a setup. He tries to reason with Jadis some more, but she shoots Rick in the side. Some scuffling begins. Michonne gets a beat down.

We get more flashbacks and you realize that Sasha has been in the coffin having the flashbacks all episode, and we see her take the pill Eugene gave her.

At some point, some control is regained. Negan starts talking about Sasha, etc. and he knocks on the coffin a couple times. He opens the doors and a reanimated Sasha lunges out at him. He gets away and she gets on another Savior which she kills.

Carl uses this confusion as a chance to start firing on the Saviors. The battle starts up again briefly, but is stopped again.

Negan gets Carl on his knees and tells Rick that it is all over. He's gonna kill Carl and take Rick's hand.

As he's about to swing, Shiva comes up and starts taking out Saviors. Carol and the Kingdom crew start killing people left and right. Maggie's group from Hilltop also appears, and joins the fight.

Negan gets pinned down behind a car, but eventually makes his way to a truck. The Scavengers have smoke bombs and start laying down cover. Negan and others make their retreat.

We get scenes with ASZ folk cleaning up stragglers/those who have turned. Rick is reunited with a beaten up Michonne. 

They find Sasha roaming the woods and put her down.

We get speeches and exchanged looks about the war that has begun and how they had won the day.

There's some narration by Maggie over the ending scenes.

Roll credits.

[/spoilers]


 

[Porn Shop Clerk]

I pretty much hated everything about this episode, but I especially hated the scene where the gang and their victims kissed and made up by killing zombies together.

The only thing I did like about it was Rick being just as shitty as Negan.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Bronn said:

I finally was able to watch it last night.

I thought it was a good episode.

The trouble is that it has only been about the second or third good episode out of the second half 8 of this season.

I like show Negan almost as much as the comic one, and I know that probably puts me in a minority, but I think JDM does a fantastic job.

Also, show Eugene is easily one of my favorite characters at this point. Comic Eugene was/is kind of boring at times.

This episode showed what I've been saying all along though, that Rick and Negan are rooted in the same character. Rick is more supported by the individuals in his group, while Negan is more the totalitarian. Rick is more moral-majority and Negan is more "I make the rules, and you better follow them." But at their base, they are exactly the same. They are just dudes trying to survive a zombie apocalypse the best way they know how, and they are trying to make the world work again.

I can go ahead and spoil most of the finale, I think, if you want to be spoiled. It sounds pretty epic and intense.
 

  Spoiler Alert!

 

The following things are supposed to happen:

There are lots of flashbacks involving Abraham and Sasha this episode.

Negan tries to convince Sasha some more, over pancakes. He tells her that he'll kill three people from ASZ for Rick's transgressions, but Sasha convinces him to only kill one. She gets loaded into a coffin for the trip there, and is given an iPod by Eugene to make the trip more comfortable and allow her to rest.

Dwight pleads with Rick and co. to help him get rid of Negan. He warns them that Negan is going to be there soon with trucks and only about 20 guys. Daryl almost kills Dwight in his cell, at the encouragement of Tara, but he finally restrains himself.

Jadis and crew show up to ASZ for the guns and to await the Saviors' arrival.

The Kingdom crew is inbound, and we get a motivational scene where Morgan is borderline Clear territory (he's setup the carts like Richard did to block the Kingdom folk's path,) and Ezekiel talks him into helping in the fight. Morgan falls in line with a Carol led Kingdom group apparently heading to ASZ.

Negan's crew arrives at ASZ and Eugene is using a megaphone telling them to open the doors, etc. Rick's group tries to set off some explosives but it fails. Jadis' crew immediately turns their guns on Rick's group, as they double cross them. Jadis says "we win" and Rick realizes it is a setup. He tries to reason with Jadis some more, but she shoots Rick in the side. Some scuffling begins. Michonne gets a beat down.

We get more flashbacks and you realize that Sasha has been in the coffin having the flashbacks all episode, and we see her take the pill Eugene gave her.

At some point, some control is regained. Negan starts talking about Sasha, etc. and he knocks on the coffin a couple times. He opens the doors and a reanimated Sasha lunges out at him. He gets away and she gets on another Savior which she kills.

Carl uses this confusion as a chance to start firing on the Saviors. The battle starts up again briefly, but is stopped again.

Negan gets Carl on his knees and tells Rick that it is all over. He's gonna kill Carl and take Rick's hand.

As he's about to swing, Shiva comes up and starts taking out Saviors. Carol and the Kingdom crew start killing people left and right. Maggie's group from Hilltop also appears, and joins the fight.

Negan gets pinned down behind a car, but eventually makes his way to a truck. The Scavengers have smoke bombs and start laying down cover. Negan and others make their retreat.

 

We get scenes with ASZ folk cleaning up stragglers/those who have turned. Rick is reunited with a beaten up Michonne. 

They find Sasha roaming the woods and put her down.

We get speeches and exchanged looks about the war that has begun and how they had won the day.

There's some narration by Maggie over the ending scenes.

Roll credits.

[/spoilers]


 

Finale sounds about as predictable as I imagined.  One thing mentioned could be so comically bad visually that it alone could make the episode a joke.  

[Porn Shop Clerk]

The abundance of Sasha sequences was counterproductive to the climax. I laughed at things that weren't supposed to be funny way too often. I'm glad this season is over.

[Cary Kollins]

Yeah, the unintentionally funny finale was a fitting way to wrap up this season. How lazy has the writing gotten at this point? "Let's get Rick and Carl under Negan's bat again, but this time Maggie and the Kingdom appear out of nowhere!"

 

I couldn't help but laugh at how the ending turned into a cheesy 80's action film. Lots of shooting, hardly anyone being shot. How does the Hilltop and Kingdom appear out of noooo where and suddenly they're on top of Negan and his gang. No one was keeping an eye out on the perimeter? Not one savior? No one saw a fuging tiger approaching until the very last second? Just laughably dumb. It's like something a fan would come up with. 

So we went through the entire second half of the season just to get exactly where we thought we would be.

Scott Gimple and all of the producers should be let go. It'll never happen, but that's the only chance of making this show worth watching again. 

Imagine if the creators of the Legion show had a chance to make TWD. That show is a perfect example of why TWD has no excuse for being so shitty lately.

[pstall]

51 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

Yeah, the unintentionally funny finale was a fitting way to wrap up this season. How lazy has the writing gotten at this point? "Let's get Rick and Carl under Negan's bat again, but this time Maggie and the Kingdom appear out of nowhere!"

 

I couldn't help but laugh at how the ending turned into a cheesy 80's action film. Lots of shooting, hardly anyone being shot. How does the Hilltop and Kingdom appear out of noooo where and suddenly their own top of Negan and his gang. No one was keeping an eye out on the perimeter? Not one savior? No one saw a fuging tiger approaching until the very last second? Just laughably dumb. It's like something a fan would come up with. 

So we went through the entire second half of the season just to get exactly where we thought we would be.

Scott Gimple and all of the producers should be let go. It'll never happen, but that's the only chance of making this show worth watching again. 

Imagine if the creators of the Legion show had a chance to make TWD. That show is a perfect example of why TWD has no excuse for being so shitty lately.

A Team with zombies.

Oddly i felt embarrassed in some shooting scenes like, i can't believe I went a whole season for this.  But cheesy  80s sci fi is pretty accurate. 

My Sundays are now free and i will let the TWD producers troll someone else.

[Cary Kollins]

Other fun observations:

how did Shiva not take one single bullet?

The "Kingdom" was literally like 7 people lmao

Jeffrey Dean Morgan is having a blast

Sonequa Martin did a great job these past two episodes

Sasha wanting to travel in a coffin and Negan agreeing to it? lol