TWD Season 7

[RealBitsOfPanther]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

Probably true, but every time there is a criticism of the TV show the response is ...but it is cool in the comic.

AMC ain't making their bread off the comic fanbase.  They are making it off those tuned into the show about Daryl, Rick, Carol etc....yet comic fans however would tell you Carl and Negan are so much better 

that is the reality the present situation presents IMO.  Two groups viewing it different. Solution will be IMO to let the comic fans have there story and the TV people there's.  

you easily can kill off Negan next year.  TV fans don't want 4-6 MORE seaons with their main cast chilling at Alexandria.  TV Negan will be good enough to cause Daryl Dixon and company to chill at Alexandria for 6 seasons? 

Fair. 

As someone who has read all of the comics and still reads TWD every month, I view the comic and show as separate things anyway. It's natural to compare it to the source material though (which many people do, myself included).

[Porn Shop Clerk]

Carl sucks on the show and I wouldn't mind if they killed him off.  JDM however has done a great job. Everything that's been said about him is how you're supposed to feel about the character.

[Bronn]

20 minutes ago, CRA said:

Probably true, but every time there is a criticism of the TV show the response is ...but it is cool in the comic.

AMC ain't making their bread off the comic fanbase.  They are making it off those tuned into the show about Daryl, Rick, Carol etc....yet comic fans however would tell you Carl and Negan are so much better 

that is the reality the present situation presents IMO.  Two groups viewing it different. Solution will be IMO to let the comic fans have there story and the TV people there's.  

you easily can kill off Negan next year.  TV fans don't want 4-6 MORE seaons with their main cast chilling at Alexandria.  TV Negan will be good enough to cause Daryl Dixon and company to chill at Alexandria for 6 seasons? 

I've criticized the show pretty harshly myself in the past... But what I think that I am saying that you're missing is that the show-only people are, for the most part, having an opposite reaction to the comic folks because they are experiencing the story differently. Show only folks are probably part of the reason that the ratings are going down (aside from natural causes as PSC pointed out) but comic readers, I think, are enjoying the show more and it is trending upwards among that base.

Hell, I didn't even get into the show until season 3 was about to start. I didn't get into the comics until I had binge watched seasons 1 and 2.

Honestly, before I got into TWD, I was like, "oh great, another zombie driven apocalypse story... I'm not missing much"... Both the show and the comic have done a great job shattering that sentiment...

As critical as any of us are, we are still watching/reading. That means it is successful.

I don't think it is going to fizzle out unless the do more of the dumb stuff they've done in the past. I think they've realized this now, and they only take a step back when they try to dangle a carrot and people just get tired of it.

I actually do suffer through watching the show live, with commercials, partly because I already download enough to add this to the list, and partly because it is a good show. It is also partly because I only get AMC through SlingTV and AMC isn't on demand without commercials, lol, but still. Just like GoT, I will probably keep watching live.

I guess what I am saying is give Negan a chance. You've really only got about 3-4 episodes worth of him to judge by at this point. While the reaction by most is to say he's simply just another bad guy with cheesy one-liners that the group is going to have to kill off is basically exactly what Rick thought when they learned about the Saviors from the Hilltop crew. But then Negan brought Rick and co, and everyone viewing, a wake up call akin to GRRM, killing off main characters when nobody expected it or wanted it. Obviously, the show could have handled it better by eliminating the midseason gap (see the carrot argument earlier) but still, it paid off.

The truth is, more of you will end up liking Negan than I bet are willing to admit. He's brutal, and arrogant, and lewd, yes. But he also has principles and morals that nobody breaks... not even his own crew. If anyone steps out of line, even his own guys, he doesn't tolerate it. He has a lot of redeeming qualities, actually, and a lot of what people see is somewhat of a facade. But in this world, he had to become that guy to survive...j ust like Rick has had to do things he regrets.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

Negan is just surviving the only way he knows how, like everyone else. I wouldn't be surprised if he cried himself to sleep at night. I wouldn't be surprised if he just passed out drunk in the middle of his seven wife orgy every night either. I wouldn't be surprised if he slept alone in a closet with Lucille. I wouldn't be surprised if all of this were true about him.

Most likely he compartmentalizes what he's done by convincing himself it was the only way.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

And the Saviors are all a bunch of scrubby degenerates that look up to douchebags like Negan.

[CRA]

2 hours ago, Bronn said:

This is an example of what I was talking about, though. Andrea's character is still on the show. She was replaced by Michonne.

Negan needs no hype. He's the best character of the series. He hasn't had the greatest screen time or the impact he did initially in the comics, but give it time.

I think JDM would stay as long as the money does. And the fact that everyone has chosen a side but continues to discuss this each week means that the money is still going to come in. It is one reason Daryl has such heavy plot armor. Can you imagine the actual outrage if it would have been Daryl that got the bat? I mean, I have already seen people literally crying over Glenn's death. Show-only people I talk to at this point, especially the intelligent ones, have just got tired of the show trying to play the carrot game with viewers. They don't like Negan, but they see the potential of him becoming a main character. They just can't understand why I'm so obviously Team Negan, and just think he's a bad guy. lol

Simon will likely die soon. If I had to guess, without looking up filming spoilers, I would guess that he dies in a Daryl escape, or something involving Carl. That will be TV making a great decision, because they are toying with viewers who are all like "omg Simon is a better character than Negan."

 

Andrea had to die because Andrea turned off the TV viewers.  I get her role was replaced.  THAT in part, is what I am saying will go down w/ Negan.  It won't be just a Negan issue but how they have opted to handle everything about this arc that leads to it.  

Negan got TONS AND TONS AND TONS of hype for TV.  Season 6 was basically a season long hype.  Then we got finale cliffhanger hype.  THEN we meet TV Negan.  Negan has already been written for this season... what we see is what they thought TV people would want.  

so they intentionally made Simon better than Negan to toy with people? What is that, TWD Chewbacca defense?  I mean, you do have to realize, that there is at least a POSSIBLITY that TV Negan  will never be what he was in the comics to the TV show. That he won't be the best character on the show.

 

[Porn Shop Clerk]

No, that's your perception. Simon is just another slimy little weasel and he has nothing to redeem himself for. I'd hate to see Simon sucking up to Rick the way Negan is now.

Feels much better when Negan kisses Rick's ass, I promise you. Plus you'd miss out on Carl visiting Negan every day to tell him he's going to kill him.

Yeah, Simon can't even carry Negan's jockstrap. He's just doing a great job with the character.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

Carl sucks on the show and I wouldn't mind if they killed him off.  JDM however has done a great job. Everything that's been said about him is how you're supposed to feel about the character.

at least we agree on Carl (raises a glass in your direction) Cheers!

Everything who says about him? TV fans?  TV fans be like

"Negan, do you even lift bro"

"oh crap honey, I just went pee pants city when Negan hit them with the easy, peasy, lemon, squezzy line.  He is like the Freddy Kruger for this generations nightmares"

"oh jeez, that Negan dude is doing one of those speeches, we just meet him and I am so tired of his talking.  Oh, I think he might of thrown his back out on that one....ah, nah, he seems okay"

"seriously, the chicken legs, no butt, can't fill out his jacket thing...is JDM sick?"

"I bet if Daryl kicks Negan in the gonads next....Negan still won't do poo."

"mind blown!  I have figured this out.  We who is Negan?  Everyone is Negan.  Negan isn't really even Negan.  Negan is Fred.  Simon has to be actual man in charge and they about to hit us with one of those Sixth Sense moments"

alright, I'm ready for this week. 

[CRA]

28 minutes ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

No, that's your perception. Simon is just another slimy little weasel and he has nothing to redeem himself for. I'd hate to see Simon sucking up to Rick the way Negan is now.

Feels much better when Negan kisses Rick's ass, I promise you. Plus you'd miss out on Carl visiting Negan every day to tell him he's going to kill him.

Yeah, Simon can't even carry Negan's jockstrap. He's just doing a great job with the character.

but you think we are talking about the same characters.  I don't think TV Rick is comic Rick.  I don't think TV Negan comic Negan.   TV Simon isn't comic Simon. 

That is where the show is then forced to adapt.  Once thrown on the TV screen they have to adjust to how these characters are received in another platform.  Then they may have to take a character that was suppose to do X and have them do Y.  Maybe kill off Z because Q actually comes off better to an audience.

 

 

[Porn Shop Clerk]

I appreciate this version of Negan. He doesn't need to be physically imposing. And yeah, most of those things are probably what people are supposed to hate about him. They should be sick of him already.

Negan can't kill Daryl, because that's one of those things keeping Rick in check. Do you even political prisoner bro? He can however make Daryl's life utterly miserable which makes me happy. fug Daryl.

If you hate the easy peasy line, you might want to put your earbuds in when he's on screen. He's got more great lines like that coming. He's a stupid, bully jock, like the Fonz but he says motherfuger a lot. Except he doesn't on the show because the show sucks compared to the comics. The cheesy lines work a lot better with 30 motherfugers per scene I think.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

but you think we are talking about the same characters.  I don't think TV Rick is comic Rick.  I don't think TV Negan comic Negan.   TV Simon isn't comic Simon. 

That is where the show is then forced to adapt.  Once thrown on the TV screen they have to adjust to how these characters are received in another platform.  Then they may have to take a character that was suppose to do X and have them do Y.  Maybe kill off Z because Q actually comes off better to an audience.

 

 

I think characters like Simon and Dwight have a chance to shine on the show in a way they don't in the comics. But yeah, Rick is the same Rick, Carl is the same, etc. They all still make the same decisions, even if their names get swapped around. The show has the luxury of rewriting the material, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. Usually for worse.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

I think characters like Simon and Dwight have a chance to shine on the show in a way they don't in the comics. But yeah, Rick is the same Rick, Carl is the same, etc. They all still make the same decisions, even if their names get swapped around. The show has the luxury of rewriting the material, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. Usually for worse.

I thought Carl was well liked in the comic?  Shows are always playing the lottery with young actors if the show takes off...you kinda get whatever you get. 

I personally think Dwight/Daryl will play out like a Highlander movie.  There can only be one!  I think they team up but one goes down being all noable for the group. I mean there is only one crossbow once all this dust settles.

Dwight has potential.  I think they could of done a better job with him in that episode right after the Sanctuary centric one with his interactions. The Dwight plot looks good. 

They need to go ahead and give Negan some backstory and make him human too. That could help with him.  I think the audience needs more upfront on him to dig him.  All we are getting is the over the top guy right now 

 

[CRA]

17 minutes ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

I appreciate this version of Negan. He doesn't need to be physically imposing. And yeah, most of those things are probably what people are supposed to hate about him. They should be sick of him already.

Negan can't kill Daryl, because that's one of those things keeping Rick in check. Do you even political prisoner bro? He can however make Daryl's life utterly miserable which makes me happy. fug Daryl.

If you hate the easy peasy line, you might want to put your earbuds in when he's on screen. He's got more great lines like that coming. He's a stupid, bully jock, like the Fonz but he says motherfuger a lot. Except he doesn't on the show because the show sucks compared to the comics. The cheesy lines work a lot better with 30 motherfugers per scene I think.

If we are going to get real the first thing Negan should of done was kill Rick not keep Daryl.  I mean he is the obvious ticking time bomb. Oh this dude literally said he was going to eventually kill me after bashing those heads? Yeah....villains always have to leave the door wide open though 

I agree, I think if they were going to censor his potty mouth they should of thought about dialing back the nursery rhymes.  I get how they can almost cancel each other out in the comic and work together.  Doesn't work well right now with him singing Cinderella dressed and yellow....and then maybe hitting us with a "screw you"

[Porn Shop Clerk]

17 minutes ago, CRA said:

I thought Carl was well liked in the comic?  Shows are always playing the lottery with young actors if the show takes off...you kinda get whatever you get. 

I personally think Dwight/Daryl will play out like a Highlander movie.  There can only be one!  I think they team up but one goes down being all noable for the group. I mean there is only one crossbow once all this dust settles.

Dwight has potential.  I think they could of done a better job with him in that episode right after the Sanctuary centric one with his interactions. The Dwight plot looks good. 

They need to go ahead and give Negan some backstory and make him human too. That could help with him.  I think the audience needs more upfront on him to dig him.  All we are getting is the over the top guy right now 

 

Carl is just a bad actor on the show, and that's why he's hated.  I really like how they've handled Dwight so far. Negan has plenty of that coming up in his future, but not backstory.