TWD Season 7

[twylyght]

My take on the season so far is that the Saviors story-line is about holding people hostage with psychological terror.  The episode of breaking Daryl was a logical extension of the first episode this season in that there is no downtime with the stress.  The sleep deprivation is textbook procedure on that front.  The probing of Daryl's weaknesses and then exploiting it with the picture of Glen's head busted open was perfectly done.  I wouldn't be surprised if we had a round of Saviors absent-mindedly whistling "Easy Street" in spite of themselves.

I've yet to intuit anything interesting with respect to the Kingdom outside of antagonizing Carol's survival instinct and trying to make Morgan relevant.

As a much larger arc, I wouldn't be surprised that this whole deal of "everyone is Negan" is an underpinning of the entire Savior collective.  Essentially, everyone is potentially vying for the top spot at any given moment.  That would be part of why everyone allows Negan to walk around as he does.  If anyone offs him and take his place, the bulls-eye is now squarely on them.  They assume the new moniker of Negan, and the cycle continues on.  I wouldn't be surprised if Negan used to be called Clarence or Shannon.

Likely all wrong, but a nice thought experiment all the same.

[CRA]

But they never broke Daryl.  Despite the tears all the picture did was ultimately reinforce Daryl's drive....that he won't kneel. 

[pstall]

I have liked this season so far but also agree with rodeo some on the survival part but as we found out early on, the live are really the walking dead. 

But the arc is the arc.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

I'm glad none of you write the show.

[pstall]

Yeah we certainly couldn't be inspired by a video game from the 90s to come up with uhh source material. 

The show and writing is average at the moment. Not great but sorta like a chicken wrap for lunch. Not a full meal but enough to hold you over.

 

[CRA]

7 hours ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

I'm glad none of you write the show.

the writing on TWD is weak of late.  Show is stuck in this arc and trying to figure out how to milk it for 2 full seasons and insert whoever they have into roles that played out in the comics.

this week with Tara we have another bottleneck episode where we meet yet another group.  Midseason finale they might finally go back to the Kingdom and pick up where they left off with Zeke and Carol talking in the doorway.

I get comic readers love this arc.  It likely is awesome in the comic.  Comic wasn't focused on milking it for 2 seasons because they were scared of passing the source material.  No reason to be scared and let it impact your ability to tell a good story on TV.  The TV is either going to get cancelled or pass the source material regardless.

the writing last week didn't make sense either.  Jesus has known Maggie for 2 seconds and now is deeply distraught that he might not be telling her everything.  Gregory attempting to give up Maggie/Sasha?  That made zero sense.  Saviors don't have a bounty out on those girls, they let them walk away.  Giving them up technically only would confirm Gregory knew them and used them to help kill the Saviors (Saviors already know Maggie's group took them out and let them live). 

[Porn Shop Clerk]

Yep, stuff that didn't happen in the source material.

But that doesn't stop people from talking about how they want more of that stuff because of those damn comic book readers.

I like how it fills it out for the most part.  I'm just happy there have been no riding around at night in pickup trucks headshotting zombies, or magic bottle rockets, or flipping vans or stupid searches for a cure at the CDC, or Daryl pulling rocket launchers out of his asshole.

I don't mind a slow crawl through the story, but then again I don't need Ritalin to concentrate like you kids.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

1 hour ago, pstall said:

Yeah we certainly couldn't be inspired by a video game from the 90s to come up with uhh source material. 

The show and writing is average at the moment. Not great but sorta like a chicken wrap for lunch. Not a full meal but enough to hold you over.

 

You have no idea what you're talking about, because you probably spend most of the show with your face in your phone complaining about things you're not paying attention to.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

It's like you assholes forgot about the farm and Finding Sophia and all that stretched out bullshit.  If you can't hang, you should have stopped watching the show when it legitimately sucked ass.

[cookinwithgas]

I totally got Gregory selling out Maggie and Sasha, we just had Rick giving Negan Michonnes rifle unasked for the week prior.

[Proudiddy]

A lot of good posts here, as I was getting caught up on the thread.  

Although I haven't read the comics, but would love to do so 9and plan on doing so eventually), I have read about the comics and looked up a lot of the who, what, when, where, why, and hows, as far as plot, characters, and development, and my feeling is that they're going to have to deviate from the comics quite a bit, because otherwise, the show is going to run out of gas if they try to drag it out to avoid catching up to the comics.  I have no complaints with the show for the most part, but it does feel like they're purposely slowing things down - and I don't know if that is out of fear of catching up to the comics, or just purposely for suspense, regardless of the comics.  I get the feeling that they want to keep a comfortable distance from the comics' present.

Now, some of my theories:

I think the tipping point for Rick is going to be Negan somehow being responsible for killing or indirectly causing Judith to die.  If the series and the writers have taught us anything, it is that they don't waste clues, visual cues, words, or hints...  Rick's spiel on knowing Judith isn't his, while not necessarily shocking for the audience in regards to knowledge, it was slightly surprising to see him acknowledge it himself.  I was under the assumption that he just compartmentalized it and pretended Shane never happened, to the point he felt she was his biologically.  Regardless, he mentioned in that speech to Michonne how Judith is basically his motivation for living - he had to adopt her as his own, knowing she isn't really his biological child, so that he could protect her.  The emphasis on protecting her, ensuring she lives, etc., was too strong to ignore, IMO.  My only reason to believe this won't happen is I don't know how they'll pull it off without it being too graphic.  I've read before that they have generally tried to avoid killing children characters on the show because it may be hard to get it approved ratings-wise for their audience.  So, we'll see.

I also read another theory recently, which I can't take credit for, that said Nick from FTWD may actually merge the two show's storylines eventually as a leader of The Whisperers.  Makes sense because of his ease in putting on their costume of choice, lol.  Kirkman was asked if Nick was a Whisperer, or would be, at a comicon, and he replied, "no comment."  Although the logistics seem difficult to pull off, FTWD did reveal that Madison was apparently from the South, so I'm wondering if they meet back up and then make the trip across the country and run into Rick and Co.?

 

[Porn Shop Clerk]

Jesus' action scenes were just awful, barely b-movie quality. They should just not have him do that anymore because it made me feel bad for the actor.

Actually Jesus is just terrible on the show period, and I wouldn't mind if he died soon.

[CRA]

48 minutes ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

Yep, stuff that didn't happen in the source material.

But that doesn't stop people from talking about how they want more of that stuff because of those damn comic book readers.

I like how it fills it out for the most part.  I'm just happy there have been no riding around at night in pickup trucks headshotting zombies, or magic bottle rockets, or flipping vans or stupid searches for a cure at the CDC, or Daryl pulling rocket launchers out of his asshole.

I don't mind a slow crawl through the story, but then again I don't need Ritalin to concentrate like you kids.

true, there ain't much use for slow game these days.  I can't even watch a game 7 of the World Series.

IMO the issue is the show tries to get away from the comic just enough to claim there is a difference and then tries to get to navigate back to the comic story from wherever they attempted on their on.  Either follow the comics or go your own way.  I doubt you really care that instead of Rick using the bathroom they switched it up and surprised you with Eugene (SURPRISE!).  

But then I heard the TV has claimed they are trying to correct things the comic wished it did or didn't do.  Which IMO is hogwash.  If that was the case, Abraham blows that out of the water.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

They add things like the missing guns from the episode before last, and the RV scene from the season opener, and Daryl's entire episode, and pretty much everything in Carol's episode, too. Carol's was at least allowed to jump Zeke's exposition and arc past what it currently is in the comics in a comparative sense. If they'd kept with that, we'd wouldn't be meeting Zeke and Shiva until episode 8, the midseason finale.