This Season May Actually Be A Blessing In Disguise

[FootballLivesMatter]

We're a team that could've been back in the SB this season. So let's suck and wait till the future? Bc we overachieved last season and proud of it. 

[arbnranger]

49 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

Losing is an infectious disease. It is never a blessing. If this was Gettleman's plan he should be fired. 

Losing is also a part of this game and part of life. How you deal with and what you learn from it is the most important part. 

You win, or you learn. 

[j2sgam]

The positivity is a welcomed change, appreciate the half-full point of view... 

But weren't we poised for a few years success? I thought we were already built for long term success, prior to this offseason..

Would Tillman & Allen have retired if Gettleman offered them another contract? Even giving both 1yr deals, we'd prob'ly be better than we are now...

Both Ron & Dave have lost sight of their MO's, perhaps forgotten what they said they stood for. Mr.Scot nailed it with 'What happened to this guy?' thread. Ron preached aggressiveness, said we were going to do what we wanted even when the opposing teams knew that's what we're going to do. That poo's out the window.. Dave preached Hog Mollies, said it starts up front on both sides of the ball. Yet, he's only brought in stop-gap players, or depth, not legit above-average starter material.. Dave also said he "doesn't believe in developing talent for other teams", also out the window...

For the most part, Gettleman has done some good things over the years which has given us confidence in him. Mitchell & others were good signings, way over to way under the salary cap, and his scouting ability up until he handcuffed himself this year showed us he knew how to do his job. But, letting Smitty, Norman & others walk have also showed us that his competency may not be at 100%. How many times has the franchise tag been rescinded? I dont recall any in my 35 years of watching this game, but there was a time when I didn't follow the game this closely either..

I hope you're right, OP.. I also hope we go on a run like 2004, just start winning now instead of when we get to 1-7....

[greghardy'sAK-47]

2 hours ago, Saca312 said:

As I said, would you rather just waste one year, or waste multiple of his future years of his prime? Like I said, I doubt anyone figured we'd regresd this much, but I think not spending much this offseason was a good love. Sets up for having enough money to spend next offseason on our players and (hopefully) some quality FAs

How about let us do what good organizations do and not waste any years?

Be real here.  There is no reason this club should be looking at a top 5 draft pick.  They should have been really good again this season and it would not have been for the sake of a mortgaged future.  You are tying to make chicken salad out of chicken poo here, but I dig your optimism in a way.  

[greghardy'sAK-47]

1 hour ago, d-dave said:

The reality is that being a good football team is hard, and we've gotten spoiled for a few years.

I think the OP's assessment is correct, let's look at the future and long term viability of the Panthers versus a one year go for broke, only to possibly have that victory stolen away by injury, a missed opportunity, or a bad call.

I'm going to say something controversial:  building for a single shot is bad.  Maybe we did go out and overspend on FAs because we were so close in 2015.  They come in, preseason looks good, but the team has zero chemistry with all the egos and stuff.  (if you want to start on the "we have the leadership" then explain where that leadership is now).  What if we over spent and were in the same boat?  Then next year, we're dealing with several premier FAs who are in their late 20s, and might not be worth the money?

So, as I've said before (and I'm far from the only one, but hey, my BS post): we struck out this offseason.  We thought a lot of things would go differently, but they did not.  We just have to hunker down for this season, and use it as an important lesson to the entire team.  Try to make the best of it, but for 2017, we have to come in more focused, with more competition, and a lot more resilience.

Being successful in football is not easy.  Sometimes you have the luck (Patriots) of coaching, players and arguably the best QB of all time.  Or everything is off by just enough to be a real problem for the season.  

Any GM that is not making moves to stay a contender can GTFO.  Getts has this offseason to turn it around or I think things start to get real.  Nobody making the personnel decisions of a SB team turned dumpster fire should ever think their job is safe.  

I don't care what kind of 10 year plan they have to make the team a perennial contender.  The fact is the Panthers were already a proven contender, damn near won it all, and Getts' moves/lack of moves were directly complicit (maybe the deciding factors) in why they now suck balls.  Look at that freaking D!  You telling me there is some kind of masterplan at work here?  Get real.  Getts is not nearly as smart as some people think he is.  

[Ornias]

Getting our franchise QB brain damaged because he has no tackles does not help us in the future. 

[nctarheel0619]

12 hours ago, uncfan888 said:

So far I've seen two idiots that quoted that long ass post.  But being the very first response and quoting the whole post is one of the dumbest things you can do on here.  So nice work, rainmaker 

He is a positive troll.  It's kind of funny.  

[d-dave]

7 minutes ago, greghardy'sAK-47 said:

Any GM that is not making moves to stay a contender can GTFO.  Getts has this offseason to turn it around or I think things start to get real.  Nobody making the personnel decisions of a SB team turned dumpster fire should ever think their job is safe.  

I don't care what kind of 10 year plan they have to make the team a perennial contender.  The fact is the Panthers were already a proven contender, damn near won it all, and Getts' moves/lack of moves were directly complicit (maybe the deciding factors) in why they now suck balls.  Look at that freaking D!  You telling me there is some kind of masterplan at work here?  Get real.  Getts is not nearly as smart as some people think he is.  

All GMs make calculated risks.  Again, hindsight is really handy when evaluating our current predicament.  Unfortunately, that information was not available when the decisions were made in March.  

Coming off the SB loss, sure, we had some holes.  Show me a team that has none.  Show us all a team that was perfect in April all the way to now?  You won't.  Every GM takes risks on players, on moves, on staying pat.  Gettleman took some big time risks, which now look incredibly foolish.  He'd earned our trust based on being able to put the pieces in place for the coaching staff to build a consistent winner.  3 NFC South titles is something.  Three straight playoff births, consistent improvement in the playoffs, NFC Championship, MVP, many pro bowlers and all pros.  

Then this offseason happened.  After his prior, questionable moves (Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, double down on DT, etc), many fans were willing to trust in Dave.  So far so good.  Well, he struck out.  He didn't address OL depth, secondary depth, bringing in more competition, the whole deal with Josh Norman.  Hindsight has proven those move to be wrong.  But there's nothing we can do now for that as a team.  

As far as the master plan idea, I think it's important to look at the short term and the long term separately and together.  Long term, we want as many trips to the playoffs as possible.  The more times you go to the playoffs, the more opportunities you have to win a Super Bowl.  Blowing all your current and future cap room to sign players in the mid to late 20s to long term deals rich with guaranteed money is a sure fire way to end up slamming your long term window shut.  I think our plan is to find the best players as FA cast offs, draft good players (missed this year), and keep them together.  That seems to be Gettleman's philosophy.  Sadly, some of our drafted players just aren't living up to their billing and our hopes.

Look no further than the Saints.  Look at the years the Redskins went out and overspent on every FA.  Now that they are cultivating their own talent and spending smart (Yeah, Josh Norman looks to be paying dividends), they are finally seeing some success.  How many teams have "won" in FA and won the Super Bowl that year?  How exactly did massive spending help or hurt them?

So we can all agree that Dave made some poor choices this year, and we're paying the consequences as fan, the players and coaches are as well.  If he blows another off season, then he will need to go.  Sadly, we won't know until this time next year if he messed up another off season.

 

[Carl Spackler]

13 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Dave is getting blame when he's honestly looking at the future. Don't be surprised if he begins spending in FA next season, and don't be surprised that we're contenders for multiple seasons afterwards. Honestly what he's doing is genius. Cam still has a few years of prime in him, and it'd be worthless to waste it for the future years of his prime by going all out without being able to keep players.

Just think: would you rather be good for just this year of his prime in exchange for his future multiple years of his prime, or be contenders for his future multiple years of his prime, in exchange for one season?

The choice is yours. You can view this season as a waste by Gettleman, because it honestly is. I wouldn't be surprised if Dave was laughing to himself, expecting this to happen, and imagining how amazing we'd be in the future and how this would just be one forgotten season as we go for back to back Superbowl wins, and multiple playoff appearances. This is certainly possible, and I won't be complaining if it happens. For those who believe that "Ah bahhh Gettledouche is gonna keep being cheap and not do anything next season," I honestly doubt that would happen. Next season is imperative we make some moves, and I'm sure those moves will be made. He's a pretty smart GM, and I'm sure he'd assess how much longer Cam really has, and consider making sure we juice out the future years of his prime. Although this season looks bleak, the future certainly looks bright.

Keep Pounding and trudging, Panther Nation! Good times a coming!

Honest question

Do you work in the PR dept or are you an intern

[greghardy'sAK-47]

5 minutes ago, d-dave said:

All GMs make calculated risks.  Again, hindsight is really handy when evaluating our current predicament.  Unfortunately, that information was not available when the decisions were made in March.  

Coming off the SB loss, sure, we had some holes.  Show me a team that has none.  Show us all a team that was perfect in April all the way to now?  You won't.  Every GM takes risks on players, on moves, on staying pat.  Gettleman took some big time risks, which now look incredibly foolish.  He'd earned our trust based on being able to put the pieces in place for the coaching staff to build a consistent winner.  3 NFC South titles is something.  Three straight playoff births, consistent improvement in the playoffs, NFC Championship, MVP, many pro bowlers and all pros.  

Then this offseason happened.  After his prior, questionable moves (Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, double down on DT, etc), many fans were willing to trust in Dave.  So far so good.  Well, he struck out.  He didn't address OL depth, secondary depth, bringing in more competition, the whole deal with Josh Norman.  Hindsight has proven those move to be wrong.  But there's nothing we can do now for that as a team.  

As far as the master plan idea, I think it's important to look at the short term and the long term separately and together.  Long term, we want as many trips to the playoffs as possible.  The more times you go to the playoffs, the more opportunities you have to win a Super Bowl.  Blowing all your current and future cap room to sign players in the mid to late 20s to long term deals rich with guaranteed money is a sure fire way to end up slamming your long term window shut.  I think our plan is to find the best players as FA cast offs, draft good players (missed this year), and keep them together.  That seems to be Gettleman's philosophy.  Sadly, some of our drafted players just aren't living up to their billing and our hopes.

Look no further than the Saints.  Look at the years the Redskins went out and overspent on every FA.  Now that they are cultivating their own talent and spending smart (Yeah, Josh Norman looks to be paying dividends), they are finally seeing some success.  How many teams have "won" in FA and won the Super Bowl that year?  How exactly did massive spending help or hurt them?

So we can all agree that Dave made some poor choices this year, and we're paying the consequences as fan, the players and coaches are as well.  If he blows another off season, then he will need to go.  Sadly, we won't know until this time next year if he messed up another off season.

 

My thing is the Panthers didn't have to do any of that this offseason to remain a solid contender this year and in the future. You are coming at this like Getts would have gone all Marty Hurney on us had he just been willing to do some common sense things like not rescind Norman's tag 6 days out from the draft.  

I'm all for letting stuff slide, like the injuries to Butler, Bradberry, TD, Cam, etc., but when GMs are making amateur mistakes that have hamstrung the team I'm hardly gonna look at him as if I trust in this being some kind of future plans at work.  Those are for the bad football teams with top draft picks and new staffs.  Not teams with a GM and HC that have been there for 5+ years and are coming off a SB.  

[d-dave]

7 minutes ago, greghardy'sAK-47 said:

My thing is the Panthers didn't have to do any of that this offseason to remain a solid contender this year and in the future. You are coming at this like Getts would have gone all Marty Hurney on us had he just been willing to do some common sense things like not rescind Norman's tag 6 days out from the draft.  

For the first part, I agree that the idea of keeping the band together is good.  But we moved on from Harper for Boston (thought he was ready, WRONG!), and we all can see the hubris of the Josh Norman debacle.

For the second part, there have been many other posters who have been saying "we should have spent the money on blah blah blah."  There are some who wanted to go all "Daniel Snyder" in FA.  Again, we can see we should have spent a little on some competitive players instead of standing pat.

I don't disagree with an assessment that bad mistakes were made, but I do believe there is a long term plan which lead to those bad decisions.  I also believe that if we don't see a marked improvement in 2017, lots of heads will roll.

[fjblair]

I didn't waste my time reading that rubbish because it is impossible to watch a 15-1 super bowl team team imploding and consider it a fugging "blessing in disguise". 

[greghardy'sAK-47]

24 minutes ago, d-dave said:

For the first part, I agree that the idea of keeping the band together is good.  But we moved on from Harper for Boston (thought he was ready, WRONG!), and we all can see the hubris of the Josh Norman debacle.

For the second part, there have been many other posters who have been saying "we should have spent the money on blah blah blah."  There are some who wanted to go all "Daniel Snyder" in FA.  Again, we can see we should have spent a little on some competitive players instead of standing pat.

I don't disagree with an assessment that bad mistakes were made, but I do believe there is a long term plan which lead to those bad decisions.  I also believe that if we don't see a marked improvement in 2017, lots of heads will roll.

I guess I understand what you guys mean if you are coming at it from the POV that if mistakes were gonna be made, then Getts way of making them is way less damaging on the long-term.  It's just very frustrating to see a team crumble like this when I didn't think a whole lot needed to be done in order to remain legit.  I get the Dline isn't up to snuff, and that was largely unforeseen, but the secondary is inexcusable.  On offense I see it more as a coaching/discipline problem going on than the personnel not being up to snuff.  Also, this offense is clearly a lot more dynamic with Stewart healthy.

I'm of the same thought process that Getts' past should buy him time to right the ship.  I think most any other GM would be in trouble right about now.  

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, CWORS said:

I wonder if some of the players are dogging it this year...just a thought...unhappy about JNo or some of the non moves DG has/hasn't made. Just thinking out loud! Looking at Cam to be exact 

Anybody "dogging it" to "send a message" would be an absolute moron.

"Dog it" and the only thing you really accomplish is to cost yourself money.