Let's have a rational conversation about our GM

[Craig Pruitt]

1 minute ago, tiger7_88 said:

Remember when everyone wanted to "trade up" and select Cedric Ogbuehi two years ago because OT was a critical position of need?  And the Bengals picked him at #21 in the 1st round (we picked #25)?

Yeah... the Bengals benched Oghuehi's butt yesterday.

P.S. Drafting for "need" is just as much a crap shoot as drafting BPA.

Good point. In 2015 I thought we were gonna draft OT  DJ Humphries out of Florida in the first round. Arizona nabbed him one spot ahead of us and we took Shaq Thompson instead.

How good was Humphries? He was inactive every game last season as Cardinal. He wasn't even deemed worthy of a backup spot. I don't know how he's doing this year but his 2015 season was a washout. Shaq may not have played much, but he was much more impressive during his rookie campaign.

Does anyone know if Humphries is starting this year?

[tiger7_88]

1 minute ago, Craig Pruitt said:

Good point. In 2015 I thought we were gonna draft OT  DJ Humphries out of Florida in the first round. Arizona nabbed him one spot ahead of us and we took Shaq Thompson instead.

How good was Humphries? He was inactive every game last season as Cardinal. He wasn't even deemed worthy of a backup spot. I don't know how he's doing this year but his 2015 season was a washout. Shaq may not have played much, but he was much more impressive during his rookie campaign.

Does anyone know if Humphries is starting this year?

I'm pretty sure he's starting this year.

Now if you're going to ask me is he starting because he earned it or because of injury, I have no idea.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Hello everyone. At this point in the season I'm willing to concede that Gettleman did a poor job replacing the departing vets from last season. While Allen didn't get many sacks, he still commanded attention. The veteran presence in the secondary is non existent and we are missing the experience something fierce. The idea was to go into this season with the parts from last year's Super Bowl mostly in tact, and that didn't work out so well so far. 

Having conceded this, I'm not on the fire Gettleman bandwagon, and I feel like others need to hop off of it as well. This is a lost season so it seems. While it's disappointing, I don't find myself in a sky is falling mindset like many on here for a number of reasons.

1. This is the first "Bad" season the team has had under Gettleman that can be directly linked to him being at fault. in 2013 we won 12 games which was a huge surprise due to the cap issues we were in. 2014 Gettleman had to cut a ton of fat with contracts and it left us strapped for cash with tons of holes to fill. Hats off to the coaching staff for pulling the division out of their asses and winning it that season because Gettleman even admitted there would be a step backwards that year, and those who didn't expect it obviously weren't paying attention. Anyone who says more should have been done never has an actual answer for what could have been done in place of the decisions Gettleman made. Still, they made the playoffs and set up the team well enough for the next season. 2015 happens and oh what a magical ride it was. Finally free from Cap Hell, Gettleman was able to reach long term contracts with two super stars in Cam and Luke, as well as add talent to the team with the likes of Oher, Tillman, Allen, and Ginn. While they weren't studs, they were upgrades. We lost KB for the season in TC and still managed to make it to the Super Bowl and lose due to poor execution and miscues. Now we have the debacle that is 2016 and all the wise old guys we had last year are gone and replaced with unproven young guys. That's on Gettleman. But it's still only his first year where I feel like he failed on his own, not due to extenuating circumstances. 1 bad year out of 4 does not make me want him gone. 
2. We are good Cap wise. It's not like we're the Saints and have mortgaged our future to be this bad. All the mistakes that Gettleman has made are not long term mistakes. That's something many on here don't seem to understand. While it sucks that we have fallen so far from last year, This isn't a Hurney run team where the shittiest of shitty players are locked up forever into the future with no end in sight to the shittyness. We have our core locked up for the future, and they are a damn good core in Cam, Luke, Olsen, etc. We have some young guys deserving of large paydays coming up in Norwell and Turner. Star will need a new contract too, as will Short. Good news is we will have the cap to do it, and then some. We have money to improve the team unlike seasons past. While this season is a disappointment, I don't foresee it being an issue long term. We're in a good position to be bad if that makes sense. 
3. We've been unlucky. Like it or not, we pulled some BS wins out of our asses last year, and it was friggin great. This year, we have lost every close game we've been in. Add onto that the injury bug has hit us hard compared to last year and we're just not getting the breaks we got a season ago. We aren't at full strength and we're still competing which is a silver lining in the crappy season that is 2016.
4. The team is constantly shooting itself in the foot. Penalties, Turnovers, and poor coaching have also played a large factor in the team's record this year. That's not on Gettleman. That's on the players and coaches on individual plays. I can't blame Gettleman when Cam throws a pick or fumbles, or when KB holds on a run play that goes for 50 on the opposite side of the field, or when Rivera calls a god damn timeout while the Bucs have the ball with under two minutes to go...These are things that are out of Gettleman's control, yet people seem to be forgetting about these huge momentum shifting plays in the games. 

So right now, I'm on the ride it out wagon. 1 year of poor personnel decisions does not make me hate the guy and want him gone. We made the playoffs each of the first 3 seasons he was our GM based largely around the rosters he was able to fill out at a discount price. There is plenty of room for improvements to be made this offseason. We have the money to do so. We need another OT, a pass rushing DE, a Vet presence in the Secondary, and possibly a new kicker. That's doable with the money we have at our disposal. I think it's very possible that Gettleman can address our needs in the offseason and draft. I'm willing to stick a fork in 2016, but not in our GM who put together a Super Bowl team a year ago. If we suck again next year, then yeah, I'll be more salty. But right now, I think cooler heads need to prevail and we just need to ride the storm out. 

You should start a similar thread about our coaching staff.

I was done with Rivera mid-2014 but got back on board after we turned it around. Now I'm back to where I was before.

Much as I like Ron, I think we need a change.

[Fox007]

I love seeing the small minds churn. Fools acting like it's either or when in reality Gman screwed this season AND Rivera still is a poo head coach it isn't one or the other. There is blame enough to go around the difference is Rivera has made a hell of a lot more mistakes and screw ups than Gman has. Shula sucks too for that matter and it's not hard to see why the offense does well when it actually does do well.

 

[GoobyPls]

17 minutes ago, Benotheking said:

yes look it up and post it also post cat scratch reader and other panthers fan forums prediction for the 2015 season

Yep most people have us going 8-8......

[Ricky Spanish]

21 minutes ago, Vinício Grossi said:

In this case I'm comparing the actions, attitudes ... It is clear that Elway sought to strengthen what was already good, while DG did not bother to try.

The error trying to do right, is part of the risk.

The Lack of attempt, that is my point, it's unjustifiable. He did nothing to improve our weaknesses. He only help to get worse.

 

I think that cutting Smitty really lit a fire under his ass. I don't think we would have Raven's Smitty filled to the brim with piss, vinegar, and spite. He'd still be serviceable if he wouldn't have already retired, but cutting him really pissed him off and we all know Smitty is at his best when he is pissed off. 

[ickmule]

rational comment: this team sucks. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Fox007 said:

I love seeing the small minds churn. Fools acting like it's either or when in reality Gman screwed this season AND Rivera still is a poo head coach it isn't one or the other. There is blame enough to go around the difference is Rivera has made a hell of a lot more mistakes and screw ups than Gman has. Shula sucks too for that matter and it's not hard to see why the offense does well when it actually does do well.

 

Gettleman definitely made mistakes this season. I just think most folks get it wrong as to what they were.

Rivera? He's making the same mistakes he always did, the ones we thought were corrected but came roaring back.

Minus a few exceptions, I just don't see us having a good coaching staff.

[GoobyPls]

17 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Remember when everyone wanted to "trade up" and select Cedric Ogbuehi two years ago because OT was a critical position of need?  And the Bengals picked him at #21 in the 1st round (we picked #25)?

Yeah... the Bengals benched Oghuehi's butt yesterday.

P.S. Drafting for "need" is just as much a crap shoot as drafting BPA.

So another team benching a OT gives Gettleman a out for a drafting LB. You do know Oher was benched and replaced in Baltimore. 

 

Landon Collins was still there and the OT Tampa drafted also 

[greghardy'sAK-47]

Only thing good I can say about Gettleman right now is he always seemed to have this team a year ahead of schedule.  He may be a victim of his own success at this point.  Talent level was probably fools gold in hindsight.  

Still, his offseason is text book for how to make a good football team really bad.  What kind of message are you sending your guys when you let go of the best corner in football, who wants to be a panther, and your best FA signing is (idk)?  That either sends an I only care about penny pinching message or we are so good be are gonna reck poo, complacent message.  Neither of those are good.  

[gmonjimbo]

The Panthers are not well equipped to affect the passing game. They don't have quality DE,OT, S, or CB. I think the secondary will improve with time. OT and DE are premium positions and they are hard to find.I look at the Titans, Jack Conklin and Taylor Lewan were top 15 picks. Guys like Tunsil, Flowers, Stanley were all top 15 picks. We were never in position to draft these guys and I am happy that we did not reach and draft guys like Morgan Moses and TJ Clemmings because of need. Also same with DE - Joey Bosa, Clowney,etc. However, it looks like the Panthers will be getting a top 10 or 15 pick and if we ignore DE or OT then I will question Gettleman's decision making. 

[Salisburysean98]

A move has to be made to bring in a veteran presence in our secondary period. Also Gettleman must apologize for the terrible judgment he had in the off season, to the fans and Jerry Richardson as well. Instead he's just silent about the whole poo storm that's unfolding. That is the real problem in Carolina right now. How can the man be silent and not hold himself accountable for a bad off season?

[Ricky Spanish]

7 minutes ago, Salisburysean98 said:

A move has to be made to bring in a veteran presence in our secondary period. Also Gettleman must apologize for the terrible judgment he had in the off season, to the fans and Jerry Richardson as well. Instead he's just silent about the whole poo storm that's unfolding. That is the real problem in Carolina right now. How can the man be silent and not hold himself accountable for a bad off season?

Because GM's don't generally speak to the fans during the season because there's no point in doing so. 

[Benotheking]

21 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Yep most people have us going 8-8......

please post the whole thread and other panthers fan forums thread.