Let's have a rational conversation about our GM

[Ricky Spanish]

15 minutes ago, Vinício Grossi said:

Ok, let's be rational...

2 years ago, the Broncos got smashed by the Seahawks in the Super Bowl... They had a really good team, but not a great one. They had flaws and they worked to fix them on the next season. They grabed Sanders, TJ Ward, Talib and Ware! Look... One Rush Edger, and 2 DBs.... sounds familiar no?

What happend next, we All know... and hey, they still have a very strong unite, capitalized by that free agency

We, on the oder hand, made the opposite.

Everyone knows that our DEs were Just average, as long as our DBs. We let our Top CB go cause our GM Ego is the most important thing. Grimes, Amukamara, Hayward, Sean Smith... we didn't get anyone.

Cam was the MVP, and our RT was expossed on the Super Bowl... do we upgrade our OL to protect our best player? NOOOO

But hey, we drafted a DT in the 1st round so now we can let KK go and stay with 20MM avaiable on the Cap!

The rational talk is not about the mistakes, it's about the attitudes (lack off). He did not seek to strengthen our weaknesses. It's not as if we had drafted Tackle or Corner with our 1st round pick, or we had signed and / or traded for a DE and some DBs in the off season. He did nothing to improve our team. That's BS

fug DG AS HIS EGO

Elway also fired his head coach and brought someone else in. 

You are comparing a two year tweaking project to the first year after the super bowl loss for us. I don't think that is necessarily applicable yet. If it's the same song and dance next offseason then I think you have a point, but right now the situations aren't comparable. 

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, Kakarot said:

I'm going to try to be rational. Lawd have mercy, we don't want anybody running to all pro!!!

I wasn't going to say anything, but you think you're rational all the time? Dude, you can very  condescending and irrational. You were especially condenscending and down right a bully to anyone who questioned Gettleman or any of the moves the front office made. I just go back to thinking about CPPantherking. He never came at anybody, he was just stating his opinion on things. You constantly would go at him, and even questioned his intelligence. Don't come in here acting high and mighty when you have your moments as well. 

It's not his view so much as it is that he's a fraud.

CPK is well known as someone who makes s--t up to make himself sound better. He made up a bunch of stories as if he had inside access to the team. He claimed to be "around the team" all the time. Igo called him out on it and outed him as a guy who was posting from Winston-Salem while he claimed to be inside training camp.

That's who you're defending.

As to Gettleman, yes he's made mistakes (as all GMs do) but he's the wrong place to focus right now. 

[Benotheking]

4 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Read this article. We had no business going 15-1 last year. Even most here thought we were a .500 team before the season started,

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2016/10/11/13241004/carolina-panthers-riverboat-ron-losing-team-super-bowl-bets?client=safari

Yup because media hold so much weight and how a team will do for the season. "Even most here thought we were a .500 team before the season started", What ? Every year every panther fan thinks we will win the Superbowl and most thought we were going to the playoffs and most even called it the most talented team in panther history even camp confidential people echo that settlement. Every team has holes good teams find ways to win. 

[Growl]

7 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Well when you've watched Byron bell and Nate Chandler play OT for the previous couple years, anything better than "absolute dog poo" looks average in comparison. 

And back up role players? Come on dude. Turner, Star, KK, Norwell, and KB aren't back up role players.

Star Lotulelei would've been a Panther no matter who was GMing the Panthers, and Andrew Norwell is what average actually looks like. Kelvin Benjamin was a lateral manuever to fill a hole we ourselves created just a couple months prior, which has been a recurring theme of the Gettleman era now that you mention it.

90% of the major contributors on the roster in recent years aren't Gettleman players, and the team has not only virtually the same weaknesses it had as when he got here-it has more.

 

[GoobyPls]

1 minute ago, Benotheking said:

Yup because media hold so much weight and how a team will do for the season. "Even most here thought we were a .500 team before the season started", What ? Every year every panther fan thinks we will win the Superbowl and most thought we were going to the playoffs and most even called it the most talented team in panther history even camp confidential people echo that settlement. Every team has holes good teams find ways to win. 

When Kelvin got injured no one in their right mind thought we would do anything.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Benotheking said:

Yup because media hold so much weight and how a team will do for the season. "Even most here thought we were a .500 team before the season started", What ? Every year every panther fan thinks we will win the Superbowl and most thought we were going to the playoffs and most even called it the most talented team in panther history even camp confidential people echo that settlement. Every team has holes good teams find ways to win. 

That's not really "the media".

That's James Dator.

Look up Dator's other stuff online. It ain't good.

[The_Rainmaker]

14 minutes ago, Benotheking said:

Yup because that why Seahawks the Giants the ravens and pats won their Superbowl

Yea because Seahwaks where ahead of the Trend with all pro secondary which DG doesn't value  and the year they won they had beast mode Okung, Carpenter , & Unger which is a pretty good damn OL. Giants had  probably one of the best DE to ever play the game.  

[Ricky Spanish]

3 minutes ago, Growl said:

Star Lotulelei would've been a Panther no matter who was GMing the Panthers, and Andrew Norwell is what average actually looks like. Kelvin Benjamin was a lateral manuever to fill a hole we ourselves created just a couple months prior, which has been a recurring theme of the Gettleman era now that you mention it.

90% of the major contributors on the roster in recent years aren't Gettleman players, and the team has not only virtually the same weaknesses it had as when he got here-it has more.

 

That is a good point and it gave me pause. I do think there were factors contributing to those moves (such as cap space, age, performance, etc.) but that does seem to be the outcome for a lot of the moves if you just look at them at face value without looking at the reasons why it happened. 

[Benotheking]

Just now, GoobyPls said:

When Kelvin got injured no one in their right mind thought we would do anything.

yes no one in the media. media always over hype bad teams and underrate good teams but panthers fans and people in the panther organization know that this was a good team maybe not 15 and 1 good but a playoff team..maybe you thought we will be 500 or under last year but most didn't.   

[GoobyPls]

Just now, Benotheking said:

yes no one in the media. media always over hype bad teams and underrate good teams but panthers fans and people in the panther organization know that this was a good team maybe not 15 and 1 good but a playoff team..maybe you thought we will be 500 or under last year but most didn't.   

Bullchit, good look at the prediction threads from 2015. 

 

[Growl]

2 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

That is a good point and it gave me pause. I do think there were factors contributing to those moves (such as cap space, age, performance, etc.) but that does seem to be the outcome for a lot of the moves if you just look at them at face value without looking at the reasons why it happened. 

Well age and performance clearly weren't the issue so what you're left with is a miser pinching pennies and flaunting his bravado when the players in question don't bow to his offers.

[shaqattaq]

12 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

He did not ignore the line, he improved it with the signings of Oher and Remmers. Oher was damn decent bordering on good last year. Remmers was average. That's a far cry from the year before that with Bell and Chandler. This season they seem to have stepped back and I don't think anyone was expecting such a drop off in their performance from last season. 

He also drafted a middle of the pack OT in Daryl Williams, who we all had high hopes for. Unfortunately, he's playing like poo, but that's what happens sometimes with 4th round picks. 

BTW, I'm still opting to trust G-man, but I'll concede that this last off season was poorly done. Keeping Josh, and drafting a SS or pass rusher would have made me happier.

[Kakarot]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's not his view so much as it is that he's a fraud.

CPK is well known as someone who makes s--t up to make himself sound better. He made up a bunch of stories as if he had inside access to the team. He claimed to be "around the team" all the time. Igo called him out on it and outed him as a guy who was posting from Winston-Salem while he claimed to be inside training camp.

That's who you're defending.

As to Gettleman, yes he's made mistakes (as all GMs do) but he's the wrong place to focus right now. 

Really trying not to defend anyone. I just can't stand a bully. Anyways...

Look at you trying to deflect the blame from Gettleman. You're going all over the board trying to change the narrative and have everyone blame Ron. I don't think Ron's a good HC. I've felt that for quite sometime, and wouldn't shed a tear if he was fired. What I can say though, is I highly doubt it was Rons idea to go into the season with 3 rookies starting in the backfield. This is also the same man that wanted to retain Hardy, so I doubt he wanted to let Norman go. You can choose to have most of your blame placed on Ron, but I'm placing it on the man who more than likely gave Ron the players he's having to play now. 

[tiger7_88]

28 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

One is JAG the other is  turnstile it's upgrade because of how terrible Bell & Chandler where,but for league standard it was lateral move not upgrade. 

Ummm... so its an upgrade?  But its not an upgrade?

Is that kind of like "I'm not sayin'... I'm just sayin'"?