Article (Bill Voth): Who Saw This Coming? Pretty Much Everyone

[Proudiddy]

In most situations, practicality and patience should supercede the negative outcomes we're seeing, especially taking into consideration the GMs previous track record.  But, in this case, i just think you might have to make a special exception for the circumstances.  When you arent just regular old bad, but you are historically, going down in flames, Hindenburg histotically bad, someone has to answer for that.  I hate to revert back to it but when you gamble like Gettleman did, and publicly brag about it, you better be right.  He was horribly wrong and cost us a season.  And coming off a superbowl run with the core we have in place (that he didnt draft), was the worst season to take that gamble.

I didnt see these comments from Rivera about playing with what youre given until today...  sounds like he felt setup to fail as well, and somebody has to answer for it.  The defensive backs are one thing, but those issues have brought to light other issues he has long neglected - like outside pass rushers and the OTs.  And it just looks horrible when pieced together...  JR needs to make a statement and put somebody's ass on the line.

[SOJA]

greatest failure in NFL history?

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, Nick_81 said:

It's actually be brought up quite a bit on here.  Nobody likes to say it though, and those that think it, try to avoid the subject.  It's not something anyone wants to accept, but seems it's happening.

Mostly in AP. Don't know if we've discussed it here.

Nobody really wants to say it, but I can't deny I'm seeing it.

We all knew it had to happen at some point. I think we just hoped he'd retire before it did.

Hate what I'm seeing with Rivera too. Ron is quite probably the most likable coach we've ever had and I'd love to see him succeed. But if I look at the cold hard facts, I just don't think he's suited to be a head coach.

[Benotheking]

1 hour ago, Growl said:

I'm sorry I can't get past you ranting about motivation and good feelings.

 

Why don't you explain what "better coaching" is

 

Lay out the schematical genius that Ron is failing to implement that makes the team do good like the good things instead of like the bad things and stuff.

 

Tell coach how to fix bad players playing badly. If it pertains to 'motivation" though, leave it at home.

When it come to Ron his record speaks for himself every team has weakness good team find ways to win consistently. Seahawks had the worst Oine in the NFL for the last two year but still win Belichick is winning with a third string QB Ron can't win with 2 new CB. Lay out schematical genius ? How about putting you players in a better situation to succeed. when you have a team in Superbowl come out and say they didn't adjust in the second half that's not putting your players in a position to succeed hell even Ed Dickson said we didn't even help out of OT that's on Ron. "instead of like the bad things and stuff" You are doing the same thing when it comes to Dave but just like you calling out Dave for all the bad he has done why cant we do the same for the head coach that has more losing then winning season?. You have other coaches winning with sup par players and back up and rookie QB and Ron can't even win constantly with Cam that's on Ron and you still didn't answer my question how is this not Ron fault ? .

[top dawg]

I am not a Gettleman apologist, but I do believe the jury is still out. He has proven to be a shred businessman, but mediocre architect. Even his reputation for being  an expert in talent evaluation has taken a hit in my mind, but I am not ready to give up on him just yet. Last season was a magical one until some weaknesses caught up with us in the Super Bowl, weaknesses that should have been addressed in the offseason. He fuged up this offseason, but hopefully he has learned some valuable lessons pertaining to team building and the importance of experienced veteran leadership within each position group.

My main objection is people trying to give Gettleman a pass, and blaming the bulk of the problems on Ron Rivera. It's preposterous. Rivera has been far from perfect, but the pieces that he and McDermott are dealing with have been less perfect, as well as the way that Gettleman decided to go into the season.

[Benotheking]

13 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I am not a Gettleman apologist, but I do believe the jury is still out. He has proven to be a shred businessman, but mediocre architect. Even his reputation for being  an expert in talent evaluation has taken a hit in my mind, but I am not ready to give up on him just yet. Last season was a magical one until some weaknesses caught up with us in the Super Bowl, weaknesses that should have been addressed in the offseason. He fuged up this offseason, but hopefully he has learned some valuable lessons pertaining to team building and the importance of experienced veteran leadership within each position group.

My main objection is people trying to give Gettleman a pass, and blaming the bulk of the problems on Ron Rivera. It's preposterous. Rivera has been far from perfect, but the pieces that he and McDermott are dealing with have been less perfect, as well as the way that Gettleman decided to go into the season.

This what get me every time. Every team has weakness and every Superbowl team had weakness. Why does it seem like people expect us to have all pros and pro bowler at every position to win the Superbowl or just to win. you have teams winning with rookie QB back up QB and bad O-LIne like the Seahwaks and bad defense like Dallas why can't we ?  Yes i blame Dave for not trying to do more this off season but that's not why we are 1-5

[thefuzz]

59 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Mostly in AP. Don't know if we've discussed it here.

Nobody really wants to say it, but I can't deny I'm seeing it.

We all knew it had to happen at some point. I think we just hoped he'd retire before it did.

Hate what I'm seeing with Rivera too. Ron is quite probably the most likable coach we've ever had and I'd love to see him succeed. But if I look at the cold hard facts, I just don't think he's suited to be a head coach.

Agree with all of that....I think I even wrote about why this may be TD's last year with us...may have been in AP after all.

 

Strangely, I warming to an offensive HC for us, not fully on the get RR out of here stuff, but not too far behind either.  What do you think of a McDaniels type hire?

[Proudiddy]

4 minutes ago, Benotheking said:

This what get me every time. Every team has weakness and every Superbowl team had weakness. Why does it seem like people expect us to have all pros and pro bowler at every position to win the Superbowl or just to win. you have teams winning with rookie QB back up QB and bad O-LIne like the Seahwaks and bad defense like Dallas why can't we ?  Yes i blame Dave for not trying to do more this off season but that's not why we are 1-5

You don't have to have all-pros at every position, but you certainly need NFL-level talent.  Our DBs, outside of Coleman and Boston (as situational), don't appear to be NFL talent.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Agree with all of that....I think I even wrote about why this may be TD's last year with us...may have been in AP after all.

Strangely, I warming to an offensive HC for us, not fully on the get RR out of here stuff, but not too far behind either.  What do you think of a McDaniels type hire?

I've yet to see a single branch of the Bill Belichick coaching tree bear fruit.

Said it in All Pro: If there were a coaching change and we did get our first offensive coach, I think Frank Reich is the guy.

Kyle Shanahan could also be an option, but I'd much rather have Reich.

[LinvilleGorge]

I get that Ron's teams have historically started out slow and I don't think the coaching staff has been perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but when it comes to this secondary, the talent we're fielding is indefensible and that's on Dave.  You could take the greatest race car driver ever and toss him the keys to a clapped out Honda Accord and it's not gonna matter how great of a driver he is, he simply doesn't have the tools he needs to be able to compete.

[pepaw]

5 hours ago, d-dave said:

Hindsight is a powerful tool, especially when it backs up your opinion.  Kudos to those who are "winning" the argument.

I think many of us figured we would improve as a team, and have to cover the weakness of a very young secondary.  Lots of folks said that Boston was ready to step up and become a big time player.  Many thought the Super Bowl was Kony Ealy's coming out party and he was going to become a top flight pass rusher.  We also thought KK Short would pick right back up where he left off.  We thought Coleman would be fine because it was the same system he played in last year.  We saw zero holes in our offense, only the addition of KB.  This was my thought process as the season started.

Now we see the hubris of our expectations.  We've had some people get hurt, forcing other players to play, and we've seen the OMG moments far too often.  After week three, nothing should be super surprising.  Every week reinforces that the incorrect decisions were made regarding FA and the draft.  Do I blame Gettleman for not breaking the bank for a premiere pass rusher?  Josh Norman?  Offensive Line depth? We can until we're blue in the face, but it's not going to change this season.

The important lesson for Dave Gettleman is pretty apparent.  Don't let your strength become a weakness.  It did.  There weren't enough vets brought in to really compete for jobs.  I'm not sure how much Ron and Co can do with the players they currently have.  It's not like the current street FA list looks chock full of talent either.  They have to make do, and in some cases, this is what we're going to have to deal with.

This is a really great summary of many people's thoughts going into this season. Additonally, I thought Star was going to turn into a monster this year instead of just a premier space eater.  I also remembered when we went younger in our DBs in 2014 and thought we would be fine.  I trusted the scouting department that much.  Kind of feel dumb looking back. 

[Don137]

There are a lot of players underperforming to expectations which not everyone saw coming (Ginn, Oher when healthy, D-line except Johnson who has been about the same as last year, Coleman, Funchess, Gano and even Cam just to name a few). That falls on coaching.

Gettleman really screwed the pooch with Norman situation. Not just exposing our secondary as a result he reached for several in the draft due to how  thin they were at DB and as a result couldn't address depth at other positions like safety or offensive tackle.

I think it is the perfect storm of whatever could go wrong has gone wrong. Both coaching and management to blame.

 

[CPF4LIFE]

Anybody that wasn't slobbing gettleman down  saw this coming or at least the possibility. 

[CPF4LIFE]

4 hours ago, thefuzz said:

Do we know for certain that RR didn't tell DG that he could make it work without Norman?

Not saying he did, but he may be just as much to blame for this as DG.

Hard to see rivera being comfortable with what we have and letting 20 million dollars just sit in his pocket.