Article (Bill Voth): Who Saw This Coming? Pretty Much Everyone

[Growl]

 

 

23 minutes ago, Benotheking said:

Its not his fault ? he is the head coach its up to him to get this team mentally ready week in and out and that's not happening. Ron M.O is his defensive mind why can't he scheme around a FS that played like a pro bowler last year ownershle DB in Bene (who was here fow first 4 games) McClain and a 2nd and 3rd round DB? We are not talent less in the secondary. When you playing rookies one on one with elite WR that will never end will and its just not the secondary that's look out of sync its our whole defense and that's on the coaches.   

lol maybe he can give them a whole bunch of heart and passion too and a great speech on lunchpails.

"Omg Ron put the players in better position, their position is bad Ron, don't you understand? You're a defensive guru, you've got to fix the position they're in!"

[shaqattaq]

1 hour ago, Growl said:

Gettleman made the biggest executive mistake in league history.

This might be a bit of an exaggeration.

That said, Dave definitely fugged up! he never should have dumped Norman knowing that Peanut was gone. I also still like his first 2 draft picks, even though Butler hasn't played enough to really get a feel for. Bradberry is going to be good, but Bene and Young are just as good (if not better) that Worley and Sanchez. Those were 2 wasted picks (assuming we paid Norman). It's not like I'm a football genius, everyone knew we needed: DE, CB, SS, OT (as far as I'm concerned, in that order.) We only addressed one of these positions in the draft! And did nothing via FA!  

[nctarheel0619]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Nah.

See, CPK is still a fraud who claimed to have inside access to vouch for s--t that he basically just made up. The season going bad doesn't erase that anymore than it invalidates the successful run we've had to this point. So unless you have a defense for that garbage then no, he's not owed a thing.

And I've yet to see you apologize for numerous instances of being a dick, so hey...

As to this season, yes mistakes were made, but that's far from all there is. Some of the vets we counted on got old overnight (including, sadly, Thomas Davis), some of the players we counted on showing up haven't, injuries are hitting us hard and so are coaching mistakes, the same coaching mistakes that have been made since the current regime got here.

Rivera wasn't my first choice for coach (Mike Zimmer was) and while I got on board with him before I'm no longer on board now. I'm not betting on there being a coaching change, but I'm increasingly of the mind there should be.

For the time being though, you and all the rest of the children who love misery and complaining can have all the fun you want. I'm not interested.

Well, I didn't keep calling anyone out like you did on numerous occasions.  You really think TD has gotten old as well?  Interesting take, that hasn't been said here it seems.  Fair enough, at least you give criticism as well.  

Oh well, at least I have Saturday's this fall (OU Football) even though they poo the bed royally against Ohio State and Houston.  

[tiger7_88]

My response to this?

Fug Bill Voth.

[CarolinaSunday]

There's a lot of black and white thinking in here.  

Gettleman messed up badly.  It is not the worst mistake in football history.  

It's not Gettleman OR Rivera OR Shula OR the players.  There's been a lot of fail on all levels. The blame can be spread around. 

 

[Sam Mills Fan]

2 hours ago, nctarheel0619 said:

@Mr. Scot you owe this man an apology.  You were a dick to him all offseason and were completely wrong per usual.  So, Mr. "Football Historian" it's time to take that L and apologize for being a dick to the man when he was clearly right.  

The hardcore Gettleman apologists have suddenly disappeared lately, wonder why that is?

[Snake]

1 hour ago, uncfan888 said:

He just called it the biggest failure in football history. You can't be serious with that poo. The guy is in love with hurney and has been begging for us to be bad so he can blame it on gettleman, and you aren't far behind.  What kind of fans are you? Wanting the team to be bad so you can bitch and complain and rub it in people's faces on a message board. 

Sadly people have been waiting a few years for that. 

[Benotheking]

24 minutes ago, Growl said:

 

 

lol maybe he can give them a whole bunch of heart and passion too and a great speech on lunchpails.

"Omg Ron put the players in better position, their position is bad Ron, don't you understand? You're a defensive guru, you've got to fix the position they're in!"

What is the head coach job? To motivate to put the best players on the field and put players and the team in position to succeed and he failed to do that 4 times out of 6 year. theirs is not one panther fan on the face of the earth that didn't question Ron rivers coaching skills in the aspect of playing the best players and getting the team focus. How come we always start off slow under Ron how come Ron two best year came under Dave how come Ron only has 1 win off the bye how come Ron only manged two season with cam newton at Qb and no back to back winning season when others young Qb has done that because of better coaching.  Ron is suppose to be the leader of man as the head coach and Ron only lead us to 2 winning seasons. Now tell me again how this is not Ron fault ?

[Growl]

6 minutes ago, Benotheking said:

What is the head coach job? To motivate to put the best players on the field and put players and the team in position to succeed and he failed to do that 4 times out of 6 year. theirs is not one panther fan on the face of the earth that didn't question Ron rivers coaching skills in the aspect of playing the best players and getting the team focus. How come we always start off slow under Ron how come Ron two best year came under Dave how come Ron only has 1 win off the bye how come Ron only manged two season with cam newton at Qb and no back to back winning season when others young Qb has done that because of better coaching.  Ron is suppose to be the leader of man as the head coach and Ron only lead us to 2 winning seasons. Now tell me again how this is not Ron fault ?

I'm sorry I can't get past you ranting about motivation and good feelings.

 

Why don't you explain what "better coaching" is

 

Lay out the schematical genius that Ron is failing to implement that makes the team do good like the good things instead of like the bad things and stuff.

 

Tell coach how to fix bad players playing badly. If it pertains to 'motivation" though, leave it at home.

[Wundrbread33]

3 hours ago, d-dave said:

Hindsight is a powerful tool, especially when it backs up your opinion.  Kudos to those who are "winning" the argument.

I think many of us figured we would improve as a team, and have to cover the weakness of a very young secondary.  Lots of folks said that Boston was ready to step up and become a big time player.  Many thought the Super Bowl was Kony Ealy's coming out party and he was going to become a top flight pass rusher.  We also thought KK Short would pick right back up where he left off.  We thought Coleman would be fine because it was the same system he played in last year.  We saw zero holes in our offense, only the addition of KB.  This was my thought process as the season started.

Now we see the hubris of our expectations.  We've had some people get hurt, forcing other players to play, and we've seen the OMG moments far too often.  After week three, nothing should be super surprising.  Every week reinforces that the incorrect decisions were made regarding FA and the draft.  Do I blame Gettleman for not breaking the bank for a premiere pass rusher?  Josh Norman?  Offensive Line depth? We can until we're blue in the face, but it's not going to change this season.

The important lesson for Dave Gettleman is pretty apparent.  Don't let your strength become a weakness.  It did.  There weren't enough vets brought in to really compete for jobs.  I'm not sure how much Ron and Co can do with the players they currently have.  It's not like the current street FA list looks chock full of talent either.  They have to make do, and in some cases, this is what we're going to have to deal with.

Hindsight?

Hope you aren't referring to OP, because he has been telling everyone this for months.

Hell, I was killing on him for being "negative," this whole time.

CP called Gettleman out early and often. He isn't switching views: just reiterating ones he's had all along.

[frash.exe]

"WE'RE LOSING. THE GM SHOULDVE DONE SOMETHING IN THE OFFSEASON LIKE I SAID"

every comment on every shitty team's message board since time immemorial 

[uncfan888]

Just now, frash.exe said:

"WE'RE LOSING. THE GM SHOULDVE DONE SOMETHING IN THE OFFSEASON LIKE I SAID"

every comment on every shitty team's message bord since time immemorial 

They are so excited that the team is doing bad. Pathetic fans 

[Darvinsun]

34 minutes ago, Growl said:

I'm sorry I can't get past you ranting about motivation and good feelings.

 

Why don't you explain what "better coaching" is

 

Lay out the schematical genius that Ron is failing to implement that makes the team do good like the good things instead of like the bad things and stuff.

 

Tell coach how to fix bad players playing badly. If it pertains to 'motivation" though, leave it at home.

As for Ron it maybe true that he has to play with the talent Gettleman gives him..but he is not the coach that will win a superbowl..his in game management is awful..his personel devisions are awful...ge takes his players to have to be damn near perfect to win..thats not coaching..even if you have 5star players you still have to manage them and get them to correct spots and yes manage your coaches whoch i do not think he does..especially Shula..Cam , Luke, TD have covered for him long enoughand now they are not able to.Josh should have been on the field earlier in his career..he couldnot have been as bad as teddy williams who is still on the team..you cut bene..why...not his fault he was playing out of position..Gettleman and Ron are to blame equally.  Ron picked his coaches and Dave picked the players with probably insight from the coaches. Soft coverages and vanilla run and pass plays.horrible line on both sides of the ball thats on both..i say fire the whole coaching staff and GM.  You knew that Norman would want money and did not prepare, Remmers was garbage, tolbert slow, teddy old fins for hands, williams hot garbage, oher serviceable need backup to be groomed, cj hurt and slow, Ealy disappears ..you cut love don't know why..cut byrd don't  know why, the list goes on and on..thats too much for your good core players to mask.

[Nick_81]

54 minutes ago, nctarheel0619 said:

You really think TD has gotten old as well?  Interesting take, that hasn't been said here it seems.

It's actually be brought up quite a bit on here.  Nobody likes to say it though, and those that think it, try to avoid the subject.  It's not something anyone wants to accept, but seems it's happening.