Locker Room Panic

[cam1uvrxoxo]

As far as players go, the roster this year looks very similar to how it did last year.  The only major difference is that there is no more Josh Norman.  This makes me think that the reason for our woes is not from a talent deficiency.  Gettleman is f*ucked in the head and the coaches have been making questionable calls, but that alone can't cause the collapse that we are experiencing.  I think something has to be wrong in the locker room.  Rumors about some players wanting to sit for the anthem, and Bene's release supposedly being caused my locker room disruption support this idea.  

 

Anyone else agree that a locker room issue has to be the cause for this year? Anyone know any rumors about what could be habbening in the locker room?

[TuckerMax25]

1 minute ago, cam1uvrxoxo said:

As far as players go, the roster this year looks very similar to how it did last year.  The only major difference is that there is no more Josh Norman.  This makes me think that the reason for our woes is not from a talent deficiency.  Gettleman is f*ucked in the head and the coaches have been making questionable calls, but that alone can't cause the collapse that we are experiencing.  I think something has to be wrong in the locker room.  Rumors about some players wanting to sit for the anthem, and Bene's release supposedly being caused my locker room disruption support this idea.  

 

Anyone else agree that a locker room issue has to be the cause for this year? Anyone know any rumors about what could be habbening in the locker room?

I thinkpeople are underestimating the veteran presence we lost. We had some real long time veterans that aren't here anymore. Even if not the most skilled, they're integral to success. 

 

Side note, if players are at odds with each other over anthem choices, they're much weaker mentally than I ever could've imagined. 

 

[tiger7_88]

2 minutes ago, TuckerMax25 said:

I thinkpeople are underestimating the veteran presence we lost. We had some real long time veterans that aren't here anymore. Even if not the most skilled, they're integral to success. 

 

Side note, if players are at odds with each other over anthem choices, they're much weaker mentally than I ever could've imagined. 

 

A team with Ryan Kalil, Greg Olsen, Thomas Davis, and Charles Johnson (not to mention Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly) isn't lacking in "veteran presence".

[PhillyB]

the major difference is that a huge talent is gone, his replacement is injured, last year's stalwarts are aging, and three crucial veteran leaders are gone.

[SwagAces9030]

3 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

A team with Ryan Kalil, Greg Olsen, Thomas Davis, and Charles Johnson (not to mention Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly) isn't lacking in "veteran presence".

Losing a guy like Roman Harper was a huge hit, especially when you bring in 3 rookie DB's. He could have helped this young secondary a lot. 

[cam1uvrxoxo]

Who else was a big leader? I'm thinking Tillman and Harper

[TuckerMax25]

2 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

A team with Ryan Kalil, Greg Olsen, Thomas Davis, and Charles Johnson (not to mention Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly) isn't lacking in "veteran presence".

ill give you Olsen kalil and Davis. but we don't have a veteran in the secondary. You can claim Coleman from his time in the nfl but he's an average player. Nothing special. Tillman was a fantastic presence with experience and time as a great player. Jared Allen was a great player, eventually HoF. Charles Johnson doesn't come across as any part of a leader. 

 

[cam1uvrxoxo]

Charles Johnson is very well liked by his teammates.  That's not the same as leadership but its still important.  

 

Agree that Coleman is not a leader, not a rip on him, he just doesn't have the experience.  Or the talent, really.  

[cam1uvrxoxo]

Cutting Bene was just messed up imo

[t96]

25 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

A team with Ryan Kalil, Greg Olsen, Thomas Davis, and Charles Johnson (not to mention Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly) isn't lacking in "veteran presence".

Honestly I don't think CJ is that great of a leader. That leaves us without true veteran leaders at two areas of concern: secondary and d-line.

[Ship]

the leadership is definitely one thing, but the veteran savvy is maybe bigger. go look at the thread about KK and how Jared Allen created opportunities for him last year. Allen lost his ability to get to the QB, but he played incredibly smart. he shut down plays and froze QBs, allowing others to feast. Harper played strong in the box, he was a mentor to all the DBs, and he knew how to antagonize the other team-- knock balls from their hands, not help people up. he knew how to make the opposition the enemy. that attitude is not there. Tillman played well as the #2, but he taught the team the peanut punch and showed the back-end guys how to be turnover machines.

that is all lost. CJ isn't as savvy as Allen. CJ is a hustle guy, Allen was like a Jordan Gross. basically no one in the DB room played with Harper or Tillman. Coleman is a good guy but he isn't gonna mold the young guys or make the heads up plays the others could do.

[jptaylor84]

A guy like Cotchery was clutch especially on third downs for us last year.. he helped all those guys out on offense. Harper Tillman and Allen played to a good level which elevated the lesser talents of the younger guys like Ealy, Boston and such.. I honestly think most of the squad totally over-performed last year and were dragged along by cams best pro season and these savvy veteran leaders.. take that away and your left with what we have now which is a team lost and in transition..


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[KB_fan]

1 minute ago, jptaylor84 said:

A guy like Cotchery was clutch especially on third downs for us last year.. he helped all those guys out on offense. Harper Tillman and Allen played to a good level which elevated the lesser talents of the younger guys like Ealy, Boston and such.. I honestly think most of the squad totally over-performed last year and were dragged along by cams best pro season and these savvy veteran leaders.. take that away and your left with what we have now which is a team lost and in transition..
 

YUP.  This is one of the best summaries I've seen of what's going on....

[pstall]

4 years was invested in Norman and you let an all pro WALK with ZERO in return. 

His skill set perfectly complimented the d line. That made it easier fo the other guys to play their role in the secondary.  So fat boys solution was let lots of guys go and draft a whole new secondary 

Clearly that's failed so far.